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[–] 74 points 9 months ago (1 child)

I looked it up not that long ago and I'm pretty sure Amazon nets about a billion in less than a day. Not Bezos, but Amazon. And that's net, not gross.

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  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    He’s not worth $257 billion, that’s just what he’s been allowed to hoard.

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Luigi them all.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    The top 0.1% of 'earners' should be guillotined. No exceptions.
    The new next top 1% have the choice to share until or be guillotined. They can still be rich, but not so disgustingly so.

    This carries on until £50 million is the most anyone person/entity can hold. No offshore accounts. Shell companies etc etc etc. one account per person or company

    Let's face it, if £50 million isn't enough then they deserve the guillotine.
    Two accounts = guillotine.
    Hide money = guillotine.
    Put money in to your another person's/child's account then you have access, or use it yourself = guillotine.
    Forgotten account? = guillotine.
    Try to loophole it at all = guillotine.

    Fuck the rich.

    Edit:
    Edited the percentage.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    £50 million puts a person in the top 0.1% in the US. Someone with $15 million net worth is already a 1 percenter in the US and world wide probably a $1 million in net worth puts you in the 1% of the world

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I’m all for fucking Bezos up but he’s not the CEO of Amazon anymore. Hasn’t been for a while now.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Batman was a superhero because he was rich. Lex Luthor was a supervillian because he was rich. Bezos made his choice and should be treated like the villian he is.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (43 children)

    His tax rate isn't related to his net worth, though. He didn't get a check for $59b.

    You don't pay taxes on unrealized gains from investment vehicles, which is a good thing for the average person. Imagine having to pay a (mostly) perpetually increasing income tax on your 401k every year.

    What needs to happen is the loans that banks give them against their non-liquid assets should be taxed as income.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Nah, let’s tax them as realized gains, because if you are using your unrealized gains as collateral, is that not a form of realizing their value?

    I don’t care TBH, whichever one costs them more.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    That's basically the same as taxing the loans as income, but I'm down to double tax them.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I don't think so. Just trigger a tax event on anything used as collateral for a loan.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    That doesn’t work. Houses are already taxed to hell, even unrealized gains on a house is taxed. So triple taxing when you use a house as collateral would hurt small business owners.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    But it's not extra taxing, it's just triggering a tax event so realized gain is taxed at that moment instead of some time in the future, which for the billionaires is never.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    It is triple tax. You pay tax when you buy the house, you pay yearly tax of the unrealized gain of the increase in your property value. On top of that you want to add a tax when you use property as collateral so in this case a house which small business owners frequently do.

    Everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes. Get rid of deductions for corporations and people with revenue/earnings over a certain amount, say 500k. We need to stop complicating the tax code because that is why there are so many loopholes.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'm in Canada, maybe it's different. You pay sales tax on a new house when you buy it, just like any purchase. Theres also land transfer taxes an other fees. When it goes up in value and you sell, you pay capital gains (unless it's your principal residence, and then there's an exemption). But until you sell or some other tax event, you don't pay any tax on its increased value until such a tax event happened. At that point it's assessed and you owe any tax on the gain. So if a tax event triggers some tax owing (like if using it as collateral triggered this), then later when you sell, you wouldn't pay on that gain again, only on any gain since the last tax event.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The value of the collateral would equal the value of the loan, though. It's effectively the same thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is certainly some careful wording there that more intelligent people than us need to be writing. Both of you make sense, but I’m sure there would be ways to weasel out of one or the other. Something like “this or that, whichever is greater” would be a good start.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Exactly the point. If the collateral is the same value as the loan, then the increase in value of the collateral is realized. Unless of course they're valuing the collateral at the original value, when first obtained.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If only there was a way to make sure the tax isn't levied on normal people... Oh well.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The problem with taxing unrealized gains is that the value is always changing. It's not real money.

    You'd have to pick a point in time to capture the stock/asset value, and the wealthy would just tank the value right before.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    You’d have to pick a point in time to capture the stock/asset value

    You mean like the bank does when they loan the money?

    The loan shouldn't be able to be disbursed without realized gains/capital behind it, and they can't tank the value without impacting their loan.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    We absolutely pay taxes on unrealized gains. Property tax is the tax of unrealized gains. We do it for houses why can’t we do it for stocks? He’s getting dividend checks worth moillions every quarter.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Just tax wealth at twice the rate of inflation above 500 million dollars.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Above 2 million, maybe. Hell, make it 10 million for fun but holy shit do not let someone with 400 million pretend they aren’t disgustingly rich parasites.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The difference between someone worth 100 million and someone worth 100 billion is about 100 billion. But yeah finding a good point to set a limit is hard.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It might be hard but I think buddy coulda done better than half a billion. We seriously need to stop low-balling our own shit, and hell we need to stop with the “offers” as if we can’t just make laws. It’s insane that we’re like this.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Tax their net worth. The tax should be progressive, so that beyond a certain value, they can't get any richer even if their investment give high yields. Starting bracket can be 50M, 100M$, at this scale it doesn't matter much.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    The problem is to do that you'll have to capture the value of all of their assets at a specific point in time. This would require them knowing about it, so they could tank the value before.

    But, when they put it up for collateral, they're saying the assets are worth the amount of the loan, so it should be treated as a realized gain.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You don’t pay taxes on unrealized gains from investment vehicles

    That's the problem.

    Imagine having to pay a (mostly) perpetually increasing income tax on your 401k every year.

    That's why a nuanced, well thought out tax plan is necessary. The average person doesn't have extra money to pay even more taxes. Billionaires do. That's the fundamental difference

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I suggest some other things need to happen to him.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    What needs to happen is the loans that banks give them against their non-liquid assets should be taxed as income.

    But loans aren't income. You have to pay them back.

    Pretending a loan is income and in turn taxing it as such, just because the 'wrong thing' was used as collateral, is nonsensically-arbitrary, I think.

    P.S. Home equity loans are also 'loans against non-liquid assets'.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Pretending a loan is income and in turn taxing it as such, just because the ‘wrong thing’ was used as collateral, is nonsensically-arbitrary, I think.

    Why not make a law against using unrealized capital gains as loan collateral? Or just force 'realization' of the capital at loan time, and they can pay the taxes on that. A home equity loan is against real property, so it wouldn't be subject to the same issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Why not make a law against using unrealized capital gains as loan collateral?

    Because that would outlaw home equity loans, for one thing. Anything you own that's increased in value since you started owning it is "unrealized capital gains" by definition, until/unless you sell it, not just stocks.

    The fact is, taking a loan out using stuff you own as collateral, regardless of what it is, is a perfectly normal thing to do that in itself deprives no one of anything. Lenders aren't in the business of throwing money out the window—they make these loans because they get repaid, and then some. Someone who takes out a home equity loan and uses the money to renovate their house so that it'll sell for an increased price beyond the loan amount + the interest rate, is making the exact same 'move' as someone who takes a loan out using their stock in a company as collateral, and uses that money to do things that make that stock increase in value beyond the loan amount + the interest rate.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Not the previous poster, but you're of correct of course. The issue is that when multi-billionaires can get loans at nearly 0% because if their ridiculous "unrealized" wealth and then claim "nope, no income here" despite their "unrealized" wealth increasing significantly, there is clearly a big problem and needs a solutions.

    I am sure there could be some nuance used in any restrictions against said loans or tax against said weath. Someone before used a "$50 million" value as a good starting point, and at first glance that seems reasonable. Hell, you could easily make that number ten times higher and still cover most of the worst offenders. As long as there is an upper ceiling that stops these wanna be wealth hoarding dragons it's a good start.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Cmon, we can describe this process to discuss why it’s wrong, we can’t codify it into law that if you borrow against unrealized gains for the purpose of providing yourself a liquid income, you’re realizing the gains and must pay a tax on it?

    People don’t take out home equity loans to spend on groceries, maids, or yachts. They spend it on improving or repairing their home. The purpose is the asset.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    People don’t take out home equity loans to spend on groceries, maids, or yachts. They spend it on improving or repairing their home.

    1. Having worked in a financial institution for many years, I can tell you that this is not even close to universally true. It's very common to use it as a debt consolidation strategy.
    2. Even assuming this is always true, you're essentially saying that they use the money from the loan against which their house is collateral, to do things that increase the value of the house. But borrowing using your shares in a company as collateral, in order to invest into that same company to increase its value, is essentially an identical 'strategy'. You're just arbitrarily deciding it's bad for one illiquid asset to be used as collateral, but not another, even if the goal (increasing the value of the thing used as collateral) is identical.
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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    But that’s just the thing - they’re not borrowing against their shares to improve the company. They’re using that as their income, and when the loans come due they just take out another one to pay off the first one. Infinite money glitch.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Fair enough, but if you want to start taxing the ultra wealthy, you have to start somewhere. Those loans are their main source of income.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Those loans are their main source of income.

    Loans aren't income. They only reason this 'move' works at all is because they are creating value at a rate that exceeds the interest rate + inflation. Other than the scale of the 'tactic', it's no different from taking a home equity loan to improve your home so that the amount it sells for has increased by more than was lost from the interest on/repayment of the loan.

    Realize that the lenders giving these ultra-wealthy these loans are not in the business of throwing their money out the window for fun. They make these loans only because they get repaid, with enough interest to make being without those funds in the meantime worth it for them.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Then the stocks used as collateral should be taxed as realized gains.

    Since we're talking about changes to the tax code, we could make it so that it only applies to loans over some arbitrary amount, say 10x the median yearly income of the bottom 50% of earners (within a certain time period to counter multiple smaller loans as loopholes).

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Then the stocks used as collateral should be taxed as realized gains.

    Why? They haven't been realized. Literally nothing happens to collateral unless the loan is defaulted on. Do you think you should your house should be treated as realized gains (i.e. the same as if you sold it), if you take out a home equity loan?

    we could make it so that it only applies to loans over some arbitrary amount...(within a certain time period to counter multiple smaller loans as loopholes)

    This is literally impossible to realistically enforce, total waste of resources and effort to even try. Myriad ways to spread it out over different people/entities/etc.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Nice, I finally canceled my membership with them, uninstalled the app and this post makes me feel even better. I made sure to fill out their survey after saying fuck billionaires, they don't deserve my money, and that Amazon has ruined small local business. Probably doesn't mater but every little bit helps. I just wish I had done it sooner.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    How do you even get a ring to cost $5M it sounds like a strategic nightmare? The most expensive gem that isn't radioactive that being the red diamond is still only ~$1M a Gram the rock would be a literal rock at that point.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Is it that hard not to buy stuff from Amazon? I don't think I ever bought anything ever from Amazon and I make all kinds of online purchases almost every week.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    It is hard if you're lazy and you've conditioned yourself not to shop anywhere else. It's pretty easy if you care about the impact your purchasing habits have on the world. We all know where most people fall on that spectrum.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    I always wonder what a modern day Robin Hood might look like in relation to people like this. How would such a person target a billionaire, and redistribute even some of that wealth to people who actually need it?

    In particular, how would you do that at a billionaire's scale, in such a way that financial institutions don't or can't immediately claw it back?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Unfortunately, there are no folk heroes to save us. The fact of the matter is that we need to vote in all countries, and we need to vote not for “safe” centrists but for those who will actually push us towards more progressive policies. No “but this time is different, like the other twenty times, because of the scary right-wing!”, it’s do or die.

    That’s really it. Robin Hood in this day and age is the IRS and whatever equivalents. Fund them, and give them the powers we need without fear.

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    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Her costume ring is only $20K though

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Preface: Fuck Bezos and how he treats the workers.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    That trickle feels warm...

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Gee, would've been a shame if the government decides to tax those rich snobs

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Dude is rich, but he ain’t wealthy.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I hate screenshots with the time/date stamp removed. It makes things so much harder to verify

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    If this is NOT another reason to study and read theory, then I don't know what is. https://redsails.org/

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    60B over 9 months is about 80B over the year which is about 3% of 2.5T

    Does anyone else think 3% return isn't that spectacular? Reminder, Inflation alone in 2025 was 2.7%. They only slightly did better than breaking even.

    Not going to comment on his riches, we all know Billionaires are bad for the world. Just thought those numbers were kinda bad.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Does anyone else think 3% return isn’t that spectacular?

    But that's not the percentage return on investible assets. That's the increase in his net worth in a year.

    Think about the typical upper middle class retiree who might have a 401(k) worth $1 million and a paid off house worth $500,000. If they get a 10% return on their portfolio, their house price appreciates by 5%, and they get $10,000 in social security income while their spending rate is $100,000/year, their net worth would go up by $100k + $25k + $10k - $100k for a total of $35k, which is only 2.3% of their total net worth. Even though their investments did pretty well that year.

    Bezos is getting more than 3% return. He's just spending a lot of it. Like on a $55 million wedding.

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