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Scientist Horrified as ChatGPT Deletes All His Research (futurism.com)
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[–] 237 points 9 months ago (9 children)

He lost his chat logs. I was going to mock him him for not backing up his work but I'm not sure I want to punch down on someone who considers his LLM chat logs research.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Nah, that's fucking stupid on his part and he should 100% know better.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Absolutely. Angela Collier did a video on this where she kind of roasted the guy. Imagine openly stating that you haven't actually worked for the past two years, by saying "hey guys just a word of warning, if you click the delete button it'll delete stuff."

    Brain is mush.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Wait wait wait. ALL of his research was in his chat logs in chat gpt‽ So NONE of his research was outside of chat gpt.

    I'm not sure it's meaningful to call that research

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    I think that scientists embracing AI so naively as this guy contribute to a larger discredit in science. Probably we will have in the future antivax people saying that " such and such vaccines were made of AI slop".

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    • [–] 85 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Adult person learns that the delete button deletes

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

    As someone who knows a decent bit about machine learning, I can say Dr. Collier seems to know very little of how it works on a technical level, which presents such a beautiful contrast when I'm watching her be fucking dead-on about its societal consequences. Seeing someone who isn't familiar with the field but still knows what they're talking about is so cathartic in a subject strewn with misconceptions from laypeople. Angela's integrity is really admirable; you can tell that critical thinking is a virtue to her and that she takes a lot of care not to overstep into areas she doesn't understand.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I agree. Sometimes I see people who are criticising AI in terms of its societal consequences, and whilst they're decently on the mark with that, they say things that are just straight up wrong on the technical side. It makes me wince, because I worry that incorrect info may end up serving pro-AI discourse instead.

    Angela Collier is good at avoiding falling into this trap, and she does so by not pretending she knows more than what she does.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    I see your point, and it's a valid one. It's just so exhausting that you need to be an expert in the thing you hate and that's obviously destroying society in order to talk about it's effects on society. It's like that with gun-nuts, if you don't know the specific differences between AR-15 and M16A1, you're not allowed to have an opinion on how easy it is for a child to get one and societal problems stemmed from it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Did you write this comment yourself?

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    At some point, we need to stop caring or stop interacting entirely. It's so exhausting to have to question the authenticity of every interaction.

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    • [–] 60 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    He disabled the feature because he “wanted to see whether I would still have access to all of the model’s functions if I did not provide OpenAI with my data.”

    Well I guess you found out

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    • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Not really his research when using an LLM to compile the content, now is it...

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    If he only used it as a tool, I'd still say it's his work. It should of course be included in the methodology section.

    But considering he lost 2 years worth of work, just because his chats got wiped? That's more than just a tool

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    In 2 years, mr scientist never made a backup?

    Fake af, can't be real.

    The buffoon.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    "Oops all the research was set on fire" is a tale as old as grad students.

    In the 2000s it was trusting everything in a multi-year study to a single thumb drive. In the 70s it was carrying the only copy of everything in a single briefcase. Presumably at some point someone was devastated that the rain came early and wiped out all the work on the sand table.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Well we are talking about the guy who pressed the delete everything button and then was surprised that everything was deleted.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but all was deleted were the ChatGPT chats. Is that all the research produced in 2 years? Probably nothing of value was lost.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Probably not. It seems misleading to characterize what he loss as his research, and a blatant clickbaity lie to claim it was all of it.

    Bucher admitted he’d “lost” two years’ worth of “carefully structured academic work” — including grant applications, publication revisions, lectures, and exams

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  • [+] -17 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Is it the LLM's research? Do guns shoot people?
    Researching other people's work is still research. If they start claiming other people's work is their work without having added any value, then it's obviously stealing, but otherwisethis argument makes no sense.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    When you type "dear robot girlfriend, do my work, make no mistakes" into a chatbot window, and then use the slop that the average word predicting machine shat out, you're not doing research. In fact, you're not doing anything besides frying your brain while frying the planet.
    It's not "research" at all, but whatever that is, llm generated it, you did nothing.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Well that's a nice big strawman you got there. Lotta assumptions

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Despite what your clanker wifu told you, just saying the word "strawman" doesn't actually constitutes as a proper position.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    You just made an assumption on how the research was done, that's your strawman. Then you attacked me and assumed something completely not true, that's ad hominem. You'll be hard pressed to find someone who hates Artificial Idiots more than me, but I also hate bad faith arguments that reduce any person to a handful of stereotypes or a caricature. Instead of throwing insults try engaging in constructive dialogue.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    So if I just quickly search Wikipedia or list through a few books, is that a research? How many prompts or hours until my unnamed activity becomes research? Is it a hard limit, or just based on how hateful you're feeling for the day?

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    If I go to the restaurant and order something, is that counts as me cooking? How many times I need to point to the waiter at the menu and ask them to bring me something, until I am officially count as a professional cook? If I ask them to make it less salty and add cheese, is it counts as the restaurant employing me as a chef or only as a liner cook?
    Just in case your chat "research" fried your brain completely, and it needs to be spelled out: no, to be called cook you need to cook the food. To do research you need to do research, not ask a word prediction machine to do it.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/research

    You don't need to be a chef to cook a meal.
    I don't need to be a scientist to do research.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Is that what you think being said to you? Is that what you consider an appropriate response? Damn, that's even worse than I thought.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    My dear internet stranger, I use a hammer to hammer a nail. God bless

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I'm afraid you used brain destroying machine to destroy your brain, and now this is the level of comprehension we're working with. It's sad, really. You should be glad that gods don't exist, otherwise they would be very disappointed.

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    • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    The modern day version of "the dog ate my homework!".

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    [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But now you can also question the validity of his papers, the validity of his educational value in general, and, if you do research, the safety issues of having no contingency plans in case an hypothesis fails..

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, the guy's credentials should be scrutinized if not revoked. This is a disgrace.
    And it's the one who is public about it, imagine how many of his colleagues do the same, but have enough brain cells left to not actually brag about it

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    • [–] 28 points 9 months ago*

    "Scientist"

    "Ay GPT, research this shit for me."

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can you imagine coauthoring a paper with this guy? Or being one of his students?

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    • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Angela collier just uploaded a video about how embarrassing the original article is. Frankly, the situation is ridiculous and speaks to the brain rot experienced as some people become more reliant on these chatbots, regardless of how intelligent seeming some individuals may start off.

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This moron is even labelled as a „professor“ at cologne university. There goes my respect for the German educational system.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if he could get face consequences because he was sloppy. I mean he is a Beamter, a Prof, and he has to lead by example. Here is the science policy of the University. He is responsible.

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    • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    "Research"

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    [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Back your shit up!

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    • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    If is was really "Intelligence" then it would have saved a backup copy first. "AWTF?" is a more fitting name for it.

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    lól

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    • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    and science papers are being found with AI content in them in journals, im not surprised.

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    [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Claude, I need some experiment data. Make some will ya?

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Unacceptable

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