This is how the US ended up fascist.
The population continued to move to the left, the leftish party would only court the right. The further right party won.
This is how the US ended up fascist.
The population continued to move to the left, the leftish party would only court the right. The further right party won.
Thoughts on these comments from Labour MPs? Source.
One MP [said] if Burnham "acts like a team player he'd be valuable". But they cautioned: "If he's a grandstanding dickhead the melodrama will be a pain in the arse."
Another MP:
the country would never forgive us for doing exactly what the Tories did in changing leaders
Re: the 2nd quote, I can definitely see it being a problem if Labour can't remind the electorate about Tory chaos (without being accused of hipocracy). Optimistically, Tory chaos rhetoric has two functions: alleviates "buyer's remorse" in people who voted Labour; and it throws more mud at the toxic Tory brand, driving their voters to Reform. If they can deploy it properly then they'll get another majority as the right's vote is split within constituencies, leaving the Labour candidate as the winner under our FPTP system.
It's still amazing that the labour government is refusing to court the left. Labour. What a weird fucking world.
For some bizarre reason they have decided that they need to appeal to reform voters as if they would ever vote for anyone else. Labour strategist are clearly terrible.
Sounds like the DNC in the US
And it's for the same reasons. They rely on rich donors, and don't want to alienate them by doing anything that might actually benefit people who work for a living.
They probably have the same consultants.
The purpose of a system is what it does.
I said this from the start, there was never any chance for Burnham to become a Labour MP as he is so clearly an automatic threat to Starmer. It's just like BoJo all over again, they can't be having anyone effective in the party, as that would ruin the fun.
IMO the issue is that Tony Blair so comprehensively changed politics that parties can't win elections in the UK anymore from a leftwing platform. The alternative is that the government/Starmer are sitting there being told that a leftward move is significantly more popular than their current platform, and that they are - suicidally - ignoring that evidence due to ideology.
How would one square the implicit suggestion that Starmer is taking bold ideological stances with the fact that the one thing everyone agrees about him is he lacks a clear ideology?
parties can’t win elections in the UK anymore from a leftwing platform
How would we know? Which party with more than a couple of percentage points of the vote has actually run an even slightly leftwing campaign since Blair and Brown? The only one I can think of is Corbyn, and he was sabotaged by his own MPs and the party apparatchiks who would (somewhat like the article) rather lose than allow anyone with even vaguely leftist policies to win.
We can't know for sure. My point was that logically they'd be following what their internal polling / researchers are telling them.
Ok I'm not too knowledgeable in UK politics, but isn't the labour party à leftist party?
No. They used to be, but rebranded in the 90s to New Labour and changed one of their founding principles of seeking common ownership of the means of production, thereby no longer being a leftist party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Labour
They follow what is referred to as the Third Way. Not socialism, but capitalism light. This was established under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown from 1997 to 2010 and has continued under Keir Starmer since 2024.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiership_of_Keir_Starmer
Starmer's third way is a bit different from Blair's. They pretend to be socialist at times, unlike Blair, and have returned to the old name of just Labour instead of New Labour. Some nationalisation has happened, but this is more becuase of necessity and political pragmatism than leftist principles. They're a duplicitous party, which performs token amounts of progressivism and bigs it up in their marketing while simultaneously taking a conservative stance the majority of the time. Put simply, they're a right wing party which pretends to be left to gain the public's support.
Hmmmm they kinda motioned they were for a long time. Personally they just had different messaging whilst keeping people down. But then when a socialist that lived in a council house came along they didn’t like him. They actually really like businessmen and keeping people in poverty the people in poverty think labour look after them.
Ah so it's the labour party in the sense that they make people work more for less.
Not entirely. They supported many regions that lost their local industries say steelworks. And perpetuated benefits etc for many generations. Many thought it was a great life and celebrated labour. They went from the working man’s party. To the down and out party. Post Blair They kinda split. They dejected Corbyn and the uber socialist in favour of the centre, as most pollies have become have started to look after the rich.
The same can be said to their Democrat counterparts across the pond.
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