L m a fuckin o. The dystopia never ends. I was walking around the other day, and a profound sense of disappointment and sadness got to me, we have incredible technology, a beautiful world full of so many interesting and wonderful people, and yet a small number of them are hell bent on ruining it. Mass surveillance, shitty companies, fascism on a final rise, and being speed run in the US, AI, not used to help, but to spy, market, and steal more money from people who have little. It could be amazing, a utopia, instead just exploitation. :(
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Alexa isn't much better. Pretty sure Spanish can be easily distinguished.
Alexa is also the linchpin of Amazon Sidewalk which is opt-out and potentially gives a way for devices in your home (like smart appliances) to connect to the internet whether you give them wifi access or not. Pretty handy surveillance tool.
But don't worry, we've only made Jeff Bezo's powerful enough to rent Venice for his wedding.
Unfortunately I recently purchased a couple of ring cameras. Are there any alternatives? One with an app and data base with a similar subscription?
Reolink is what I use. Fairly similar in utility and options. Prices are ok but they go on sale pretty often. Poe, solar, and battery options for power.
This looked like the most solid path, when I researched about 10 months ago.
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I don’t know if they are any better, but I use Tapo/tplink cameras. No subscription required if you use it with an sd card, but they have a subscription plan for cloud storage.
I read this a while back and am already taking action to replace my Ring cams and doorbell with locally controlled Reolink cameras. I already have them set up and working on my desk, just need to finish the actual install. I am currently trying to figure out why I'm getting <12v on my doorbell circuit.
Hot take : almost no one actually needs security cameras in their home.
For the very few who do, visible fake cameras do 95% of the job of real cameras with none of the drawbacks.
EDIT : I'll go even further and say an official looking sticker / plaque that says something like "this house has cameras" does at least 50% of the work already.
The only drawbacks to having actual security cameras is when you trust your data to a 3rd party known to use your data for evil.
If you record things locally, there's really zero drawbacks.
Hypothetically the police could come with a warrant and force you to hand over the footage you recorded. It's a higher barrier than if footage is being uploaded to the cloud, but it can still happen.
And even if the cameras are not uploading their footage to the cloud, it still wouldn't sit well with me if every other house has a camera pointed at the public street
Where I live it is technically illegal to record the public street with an automated camera, but it's not really being enforced. So there is Ring cameras everywhere.
That's annoying (or at least, takes some work) to set up, and more expensive.
Out of order cameras are basically (sometimes literally) free, need no wiring work, and don't "accidentally" record any embarrassing / private moments you then have to delete !
Raspberry pi + pi camera + camera case connected to wifi is way better anyway and doesn‘t steal your data
i need them inside for my cats i like to look at them. but im using chinese cameras with a home server. there's hours of me wacking off saved on there by now
But they let me see who is at the door without coming up from the basement.
How would an intruder ever know the difference ? Just set up a defective camera that you can get for a fraction of the price of a working one.
There is absolutely no way to tell whether the camera actually works or not. It does the same "scarecrow" job a real one would, but doesn't need any of the infrastructure or upkeep.
Surprising nobody... Ring was basically the initial test for how much pushback there would be if the police were given direct access to everyones security cameras. And there was roughly zero pushback...
Surprising nobody, as in nobody really cares if they are unaware of being spied on. If the utility does what it says on the tin, that's as far as the thought process goes. They don't even know these things can be hacked or be part of state surveillance. People that go "hmm… wait it must be connected to the internet?" are really tiny part of the market.
As people are accustomed to think having the password/account, means one else can have access to it. It never crosses their mind.
It's like how much Chinese network devices are prevalent in the market. It kinda does what it says, but also sends your data to the mother ship.
Authoritarian governments think alike.
Glad I never had any interest in a Ring product
Don't worry, they have plenty of interest in you, like it or not.
How illegal would it be to setup a device to perpetually deauthenticate every wireless ring camera within range? Would this even work?
I use a ring camera to keep an eye on my chickens.
What can I switch to? It seems everything these days is app based...
I've never used them so you'd need to research a bit as I only have experience with their gateways, but Unifi makes security equipment that I believe can run locally or be hosted to devices from your network
Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in if they have experience with their security ecosystem and how complex it is to use as you would a ring
I also don't have any experience yet, but unify also supports certified (I think) 3rd party cameras.
I was planning on getting one of those, as the unifi cameras are too expensive for what I want them for.
I actually use unifi for work, all my switches and waps.
I’ll take a deeper look at them for cameras, but they already more professional than I need.
BlueIris (software) is a good option, and I loke Amcrest cameras. Thats what I run for our ranch.
Its not to difficult to setup.
What are the best alternatives? Anything that can be entirely self-hosted and stored on a NAS? I haven’t looked into this in a while but cloud-based cameras seem like a huge problem.

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