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[–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Wait, why are liberals represented by the black arm? Are you implying that all liberals are black /j

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    uhm... excuse me good sir but this is russian propaganda. don't call my wholesome ukrainian army 'nazis' they're just small chunguses and lowk like the avengers saving themselves from thanos.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Should be also third hand with Graham Plattner, but it would be lib too.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Remember Ukraine killing journalists documenting war crimes? Andrea Rochelli was the name. He was added on an infamous list of ukranians enemies and killed after that

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    This narrative is fucking ridiculous to help justify an unjustifiable war. Putin is a fascist leading a fascist regime in a country that is the farthest thing from USSR. Invaded an independent country, started a modern trench war, because the Ukrainian army has a group that has Nazis? That's the lamest excuse. All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers. You need to stop parroting fascist propaganda while calling yourselves Leftists.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers.

    Evidence of this? It's hard to prove a 100%, and I doubt AES countries do.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Injustifiable war, exactly. Donbass is occupied from 2008. They had elections to go with russia. Instambul treaty was signed, when usa and Johnson decided war had to continue. This is an injustifiable war driven by USA. Like many in the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    You are an American, or you only get info on socials. Read about Ukranian war a bit, how it could have ended in few months, how the end of the war would have hurt american interests. Stat here, but eurpean newspapers were pretty informing at that time. https://www.intellinews.com/fresh-evidence-suggests-that-the-april-2022-istanbul-peace-deal-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-was-stillborn-321468/

    Please guys stop thinking about good and bad guys in politics or wars. Start thinking.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I love how libs have no framework for analyzing why things happen so you just end up combining words you've heard before into a salad. Entertain me, tell me why you think this war started.

    All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers

    "Everyone has fascists"

    A) wrong, pure projection

    B) And do those groups run the entire government?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    Americans are mostly one dimensional. They really believe they are the good guys fighting to export freedom and democracy in the world. They are mostly ultras, not an once of auto critic for their team. They are always the good guys. Always. It is irritating. Anyway, zelensky government was a coup. The guy is right.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    Imperialism is actually a good thing when the government you're attacking has bad people in it. Just like Iraq, right guys?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Oh, was Iraq bad? I was told by shitlibs that the guy in charge of the government who we put there to secure resources and kill leftists had suddenly and overnight become the ultimate villain and we would be greeted as liberators. I was told that if I disagreed with total war I was a Putin shill Saddm lover. What ever happened to that? Seems like everyone is pretending they never supported it now.

    Anyway, no time to think back and learn from the past. We have to support this nazi government that we installed to secure resources and kill leftists! These are our nazis, that makes it okay! Operation Paperclip? Idk sounds like some commie conspiracy theory!

    Like what's the common American denominator here dude? Reeeally think about it. Also you don't know what imperialism is, or you wouldn't be using a definition that classifies the D Day landings as "imperialist".

    Some bad people in it

    "Just a few seig heiling bad apples in the heights of government and military power"

    Overall this is a truly shit-tier analogy, try harder. You are the Humvee-driving Iraq war cheerleader in this metaphor.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Was Iraq bad? Ofc. Who installed saddam in the first place? Trump is telling: Americans first create the mess, buy the dips ( like Iraqi gold), then either flee like in Afghanistan, or try to reach some kpi for allied press. American imperialism is a cancer.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago
    [–] -5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah they're nazi shits, but they are also ultranationalist fanatics who say they are ready die for their country. Putin and gang intend to invade. Tight spot. What are the options here?

    A: Kick them out and persecute them : resources allocated elsewhere, risk of great loss from the invading russians.

    B: Don't let them participate : not great, pretty much sheltering nazis behind lines.

    C: Let the ultranationalist fanatics die for their country like they want to.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This is such a great illustration of how easily liberals can justify creating a fascist state.

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Dude donbass is occupied from 2008. Wealthy ukranians dont give a shit, 5millions fled cause they could buy houses everywhere. First week of war in Valencia we saw a spike in mercedes, thought they were Russians. They were so many. All males, 20/40 years old, buying flats.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    "Anyone who points out that I'm supporting a nazi regime is a both a treacherous Russian and also not a real person"

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    "America can't be racist because they had a black president"

    Headass

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    List of sources: https://lemmy.ml/post/40735900/22934447

    Like at this point you're just desperate not to admit to yourself that the same media that tried to get you to support genocide in Palestine successfully tricked you into supporting nazis in Ukraine

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    "Yes, it's completely, totally impossible"

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    "Sure he's doing a racially motivated lebensraum genocide but he's not a nazi" lol ok fuck off now with your nazi apologia

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Do you get out-argued by "bots" often? You find yourself in this position a lot, flailing with weak meaningless redditisms and telling yourself that the person proving you wrong isn't a real human? You're pathetic dude.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Libs also be like: "Anyone criticizing Israel is antisimetic" 🤝 "Anyone criticizing Ukraine is a Russian bot"

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    "Russian War of Aggression" lol this is like when southerners call the civil war "the war of northern aggression". Just absolute cope to pretend they didn't do everything possible to start it. I guess nazis doing ethnic cleansing isn't worth stopping to you, huh?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    "Umm no actually it's the russians who are nazis, not the nazis! You're a paid bot for remembering things! You're not a real person! I'm not a fascist btw"

    Always projection with you nazis, huh?

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  • [+] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)
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  • So normally far right is always against some groups: nazi against jews, eu far right against immigrants etc

    Who are ukrainian far right against? Russians?

    Also why? For EU i think they work with bourgois cuz oppressed immigrants would work for cheaper

    Whats then motive in Ukraine?

    (Just some questions cuz you seem knowledgable on this topic)

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    so the USA is a nazi state?

    Holy shit, you're finally starting to understand

    so EU is Nazi?

    Yes, asshole, the bloc that has supported Palestinian genocide to the hilt, imprisoned anti-genocide protestors, and armed Ukranian nazis in a campaign of ethnic cleansing that saw them murder 13,000 civilians in the Donbas Republics...are fucking nazis. I'm so glad you're starting to get it.

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