Well...darn. Aside from the "gamer" styling and their unusually short years-of-support policy, I was actually kind of interested in their ROG phones, as they have both a substantial amount of memory and large batteries, and had them on the "possibles" list for my next phone. I don't care much about the gaming aspect, but there weren't a lot of other options with the above characteristics.
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Their gamer phones are overshadowed by RedMagic now. They have their marketable cooling methods and under display camera. Asus would need to match at least. Also every high end Android device maker deciding to no do microSD express. Got to do something better than RedMagic
Interesting, especially because in my research the latest ROG phone had better than the equivalent RedMagic.
What about the price? I had ROG phone 2 before I changed to red magic due to the massive price difference (1500 ROG 8 vs 800 Red magic 9).
It can have all the 'coolest features ever' but its not worth almost twice as much as the competitor when the processor is the same
The combination of hardware features, software features, and build quality were worth the $1200 for the pro over the $800 red magic or $1000 base rog phone.
This makes sense, smartphones have become commoditized, even mid-range devices have been good enough since 2020 or so. Even the camera advantage that flagships used to have isn't that big of a deal these days.
To be faaaiirr ROG phones had lots of unique features. Dual USB, shoulder buttons, active cooling, high refresh screens years before competition... but they're also priced higher than mainstream flagships which isn't a great spot to be.
If I had to guess, part of the problem is probably "bigger" hardware moving into their space.
Like, phones have a lot of limitations for playing "heavyweight", PC-style games:
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Small battery.
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Small screen.
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Limited ability to dissipate heat.
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Really limited space and the hardware tradeoffs that come with that.
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Touchscreen controls, even with accelerometer, aren't ideal for a lot of games, especially PC or console ports.
For a lot of those, if you can manage to lug a laptop with you, you're probably better off.
Then you have stuff like the Steam Deck and a bunch of similar larger-than-phone game-oriented platforms show up, and that eats even further into your market. Yeah, okay, a ROG Phone is smaller and lighter than a Steam Deck, but if you're trying to deal with touchscreen controls by lugging along external control stuff, then you're sacrificing some of that mobility:

I mean, I'm sure that there's still a niche for heavyweight-game phone gaming, but it's gonna have other parties eating away at the edges, narrowing it. You gotta want to play heavyweight games, not be willing to use larger-than-phone hardware, but spend a substantial amount of money on your phone (especially given the short EOL on the ROG phone) to have that ability. My guess is that some people who won't use other hardware for gaming is because they have a phone and are price-sensitive enough to not want to get additional hardware platforms to just play games, so "users willing to spend a high premium on phone hardware to be able to game" may be a poor match to that market.
I have the ROG 8 pro and love it. One of the only phones left with a 3.5mm audio jack. I'll probably upgrade to the 9 at some point and keep it as long as I can.
Figures. I bought an LG V60 because it still had features no other manufacturer kept, then less than a year later LG killed their phone business. And here I am, typing this reply on my ROG Phone 9.
Figures. I bought an LG V60 because it still had features no other manufacturer kept, then less than a year later LG killed their phone business. And here I am, typing this reply on my ROG Phone 9 that I purchased for the same reasons.
Have you thought about buying an Iphone? I heard even the base model has 120hz refresh rate plus apple did some magic so it feels 120hz smooth without using too much battery.
Is this a joke?
"I like weird interesting phones with cool features."
"Have you thought about buying the most basic smartphone?"
I thought they stopped making phones a while ago. The only one I'm aware of in recent history is the ROG phone, which they seem to forget about every year.
Last year they had the ROG Phone (9 I think? Not sure) and the Zenfone 12 Ultra (basically non gamer version of ROG Phone but mostly unremarkable. The year before was the 11 Ultra, and year before that the 10, which was a sort of okay 5.8" phone with pretty bad software support, but they killed the small phone thing in favour of an Ultra model, kind of like how Apple did with their Mini to the Plus model. Interestingly, the Plus model has been killed in favour of a flatter model with worse basically everything. The Air then had poor sales, because people don't like a worse phone for more money, so I wonder what's next for Apple?).
Terrible software support (as Asus does), unremarkable hardware, and not having any killer features, gimmicks, or similar meant poor sales. I guess now they don't want to lose more money?
I'm assuming the ROG Phone did poorly as less people wanted to buy an expensive, gamery phone when a) new phones have come out with equally performance (see the newest Snapdragon and Mediatek chips), battery life (see SiC batteries), cooling (see vapour chambers), etc. while b) offering much better value and/or cameras and c) looking more like a normal phone in terms of aesthetics and feel. Also, poor software support by Asus and competition from other gaming oriented phone brands (e.g. Redmagic, Vivo iQOO, Oppo's "Turbo" series)
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