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[–] 173 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

"Get the illegals out" is and always was a dog whistle for "get the brown people out"

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    it means get anyone "not white out"

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Can you imagine how stupid and ignorant you have to be to think that a Native American is somehow not a citizen of the land that they have lived in and on for a thousand years or more? Whereas most of these dipshits people haven't been here for more than two hundred years or so. Of course some of them could be degenerate mayflowers.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    I’ve seen a bunch of white people say that whites are Native American, like you have to be forcefully stupid to believe some of the shit they spin.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    or some even if they have less than 1% native american ancestry, say they are "native americans. dude, your white asf, you dont even practice or even research thier history.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    My wife does this and it kinda bugs me. I have some Native American ancestry, but I don't know who it was, my family hasn't been carrying down tribal traditions. So I wouldn't claim that I am partially Native American. I'm a white dude stuck on stolen land, claiming a birthright to their heritage is just an attempt to steal the last fucking thing Native Americans have been allowed to keep.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I've never seen that. In my experience the worst racism comes from those who have some non white heritage. I have seen whites ashamed they had some Native American blood. Like most of my family from two generations back were very ashamed of it. Of course it used to carry a stigma back in the early twentieth century. Its was the family rumor that a couple of my great uncles I never met were responsible for the local county courthouse burning down. All to erase the past by burning all the birth records. You can't look at any of the surviving pictures of my great grandfather on my mothers side without seeing he had a huge amount of native american blood. On my fathers side my grandfather had a year round tan and jet black hair until it fell out that everyone commented on like it was amazing.

    I am however extremely Irish in complexion if not all of my facial features. Proof against one my mothers many bigoted remarks. 'You can't mix it white again'. I'm proof that you can.

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    I'd be so proud if I had some Native American ancestry. I'm just boring Anglo-Saxon and French, and we only found out about the French part recently.

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  • [–] 125 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So now the immigrants are claiming the natives are illegal...

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  • [–] [S] 102 points 9 months ago*

    They're Nazis. They have a very narrow, and ever narrowing, template for which people deserve to live. Everything except this is beside the point for them, and their words are just there to distract while they ready the machinery of mass extermination. It's clear now that this is the direction they will continue to move in unless they are forcibly stopped.

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  • [+] 55 points 9 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If you're American and this is alright with you, you're what the Brits call a cunt.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And they dare call everyone else uncivilised, and third world countries, and Jesus this and Jesus that, while at the same time protecting pedophiles, attacking and killing their own, they are simply the epitome of degeneration, stupidity and barbaric behaviour of our generation, technology and wealth are never the measure of civilisation..Fuck this shit hole of a country

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    "American" is right in the name!

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The US has become both Nazi Germany and current day Israel.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Both of those countries took notes from the United States, particularly with respect to the success of the genocide of American Indians.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Nazi Germany also took lessons from the Japanese, specifically during the Rape of Nanking.

    I’m not deflecting from the horrid place the right has placed the US. I’m simply pointing out that it’s not just the US. Eventually, this shit comes for every country unless stopped.

    Maybe next time we’ll vote against it, if we’re lucky enough to have elections again.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    NAZI LIVES DO NOT MATTER!

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    mfw the US government can perform secret assassinations and kidnapping on foreign soil with high precision, but can't for the love of god distinguish between Latin Americans and Native Americans.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Partially because most Latin Americans have indigenous roots, not that there aren't white Mexicans or what have you. Since they are often victimized disproportionately in their home countries, many central and south Americans who migrate have indigenous backgrounds. So in a sense, it's twice as bad as you'd think at first glance.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago

    Continuing the proud American tradition of violating treaties.

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  • [+] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Oh the fucking irony.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    If anyone is interested in the liberation of American Indians/First Nations I encourage you to get a copy and read "Custer Died for Your Sins" today!


    Also, if you don't want to be a colonizer, the first step is to actually study the history of the people in your local region. The history of indigenous people and settlers is not necessarily separate, but intertwined.

    In order to stand together with tribes, most of whom gave been held in poverty and disrespected (and worse!) by the United States, it is important to thoroughly understand the topics at hand so we can bring about the proper restitution. Despite the efforts of settlers to erase these people and their history, we have the opportunity to stand with them and write a new chapter.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    This is totally onion stuff.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    Deport them ASAP! Back to their federally recognized tribal lands!!

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    These Nazis don't care. The point is to assert white supremacy through terror.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    It just occurred to me that I don't think I've seen a photo of a single brown, black, or Asian ICE agent. They're all white, aren't they?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I'm afraid you've been propagandized successfully. There are plenty of non-white ICE agents.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Those aren't ICE agents, they're Border Patrol which is part of CBP. I'm not even American and even I know this.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    So the acts depicted in that photo and described in that article, is not at all on the same level as the things ICE is being criticized for?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Are we talking about "people who do things that ICE is criticized for"? No.

    I literally said:

    It just occurred to me that I don't think I've seen a photo of a single brown, black, or Asian ICE agent. They're all white, aren't they?

    I didn't say "no US agency has non-white individuals".

    My comment was specifically referring to ICE agents, and the context was specifically about the ones out and about creating chaos in the streets.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    It's horrible obviously, but also yeah, what's the plan there?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is no plan other than to hope they get their bonus for capturing "illegals" before it is discovered that they are in fact, Americans.

    There's no surplus of smarts in evidence with these morons.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The plan is to start a war so elections can be disputed or suspended, the prison industrial complex investors get rich and people are too desperate trying to restore order, they forget about environmental, health and labor regulations.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Terrorise brown people. It doesn't matter if they end up being released, they were locked up for 3 weeks, probably beaten up a couple of times - when they're released the jobs been done. For now, until it gets worse. It can always get worse.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    First concentration camps ("immigration detention centers"), then labor camps ("for-profit prisons") if you're lucky, death camps ("CECOT" or similar) otherwise.

    First for immigrants because it's easy to justify, then any non-whites because they're easy to target, then the dissident whites because nobody else is there to speak out.

    They have been testing the waters for this (including sending US citizens to foreign death camps) for a year now.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I don't think you meant it that way, but there are many many lands that belong to American Indians, but are not federally recognized due to:

    • never having been ceded in a treaty
    • the US government outright breaking the treaty

    I'm also down to go with "all the land is theirs regardless as the treaties were signed under duress".

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    The fascist don't follow the rules.

    So yea, first they came for the easy pickings and you didn't fight back. So they're getting more emboldened.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    _White Americans, what? Nothing better to do?

    Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too_

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This situation is really upsetting tribal leaders in Minnesota are saying ICE has been stopping and detaining Native Americans who are already U.S. citizens, and they’re calling it racial profiling and a violation of treaty rights. Indigenous officials are pointing out that tribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed, and they don’t fall under immigration enforcement jurisdiction. They’ve made it clear that their citizenship isn’t negotiable and are demanding answers and the release of anyone wrongly held. Many lawmakers and advocates are calling this a civil-rights issue, and it’s sparked serious outrage in the community

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    tribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed

    I understand the point you are making here, although I want to add that most American Indians were not United States citizens until 1924.

    The United States is not their country, but a force that is occupying their land. It is more complicated than that, but it needs to be a part of the conversation, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    We need socialism

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Remember kids, Molotovs are cheap and easy to make.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Technically all Latinos ae native to the Americas ..for the people downvoting me please see the peer reviewed studies below. 90% have strong genetic ties to the indigenous tribes of the Americas. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8467843/ https://aztec.style/are-mexicans-native-american-mexican-people-origins-truth/

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Latina america has a heavy influence by Spain, Portuquese and France colonist. So similary like north america, while there are indigenous people, lots of them are decendents of colonizers, so you cant just compare Latinos to Native Americans.

    Edit; i fight the urge to change the comment, but i decited to leave it as is. User Formfiller has two excelent links in their comment that contradicts my comment and proofs that geneticaly people are still mostly indigenous in latin america even if not culturaly.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    In My research I found that you are incorrect. The two peer reviewed studies I have for you today indicate that 90% of the population of Mexico does indeed have strong genetic ties to the indigenous population of the Americas. If you need further evidence please let me know. The fact you’re being upvoted for misinformation makes me think this platform is going downhill. Furthermore, deporting people indigenous to the Americas while claiming some divine right by race( as this administration is doing) doesn’t hold up when you consider that the people they are deporting are indigenous to the Americas

    https://aztec.style/are-mexicans-native-american-mexican-people-origins-truth/

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8467843/

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Thank you. These were good reads. Especially the later one.

    There were two quotes in the later one that are especially intresting.

    First from the introduction: In all statistics, around 85–95% of people identified themselves as a mixture of Amerindian and European ancestry, widely called “Mestizos” in the literature, as opposed to the autochthonous population defined by their surviving culture, language, tradition, oral history, and customs.

    And another from the conclusion: The findings confirm that the genetic impact of European conquest was small in terms of maternal lineage introgression, and the changes in population structure that followed have likely not substantially changed the ample pre-Columbian pattern of mtDNA variation in Mexico.

    So basically people are more or less genetically indigenous, but culturally dont consider themself as one. This makes my head hurt, because im not qualified enough to decite which matter more, the genetics or how they percive them selfs. In any way its clear that colonism had huge effect.

    I also want to point out that i did not take any stand in the matter of deportations, but if you want one, mine is that any country has a right to deport illegal aliens, but i think the way your current goverment is doing it right now is horrendeus. Just because you are illegal imigrant does not mean you dont deserve to be treated like human. Also fuck ICE. They are acting straight like natzies were.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    Not really, but kinda. The Spaniards came over, met the Mayans, and together they became Mexicans. (No, I'm not being completely serious)

    The reality is that the lines between ethnicities are very muddy and blurry and in the end makes ZERO sense to box everyone into those containers.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Y'all only got universal citizenship in 1924, so you better believe it's negotiable.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    You make it sound as though the invaders who set up their country where the natives already lived are benevolent for allowing the natives to stay.

    I'd rather deport ICE back to where it belongs. Antarctica had lots of ice for example...

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    It's not a crime to walk around without ID

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    As far as I’m concerned contracts under duress are null and void. The tribe should lie cheat steal to get their people back and then flip ICE the bird.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Uhh. Not sure if you're intentionally referencing how their ancestors got genocided but if not may be good to be aware before saying something like this in public .

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I’m aware of the U.S. Government’s historically shitty treatment of Native Americans and have no problem with indigenous people turning it back on them.

    If that’s not what you mean please let me know because I’d rather NOT stick my foot in my mouth if at all possible! 😁

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Im not seeing an issue with the spirit of your post, maybe the other poster can clarify.

    I would take a beat to reflect on the fact that not all American Indians are necessarily radicalized against the US. Doesn't mean a radical position is incorrect, but it's important to avoid a "white savior" trope or something like that (not saying youre doing this by posting on Lemmy, but in a different context).

    It could come off like "yeah they should put their bodies on the line, and fight for what's right!", but if youre gonna talk like that it's important that youre out there with or even in front of them doing the same thing. Once again I don't think a random comment online is all that serious, but I think you and I have the same energy so I'm just thinking it through. We obviously dont want to harm or offend our comrades with the way we discuss these things!

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  • [+] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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    You can turn against settlerism and stand with your indigenous neighbors! It doesn't have to be "we did this". It can instead be "we [American Indians and anti-colonial non-Indians] stand together against the efforts of the United States to subjugate us and the land and resources we live on!"

    Reading the book "Custer Dies for Your Sins" after I saw it featured in the Smithsonian really helped get my head straight.

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    Hell yeah! I think it's incredibly important to understand the indigenous history of our local regions if we want to be good neighbors and allies to them. Same themes as always wherever you are in North America (disease wipes them out, genocide via killings and removals etc...), but being able to name names and dates helps bring it in close.

    Maybe the mayor of your city was complicit ! Or maybe there was a town near you that had a good relationship with a local tribe! In my area there was a lake that was an important food source that was drained to become farmland. Fortunately it is now being restored.

    From my reading, white settlers were not really even unwelcome, the people were excited to tap into the wealth and opportunity the settlers were bringing with them. The fact that they have been excluded from that since the beginning is disgusting. I don't think it is too late to correct the exploitation of indigenous people and land, and if we can build a society/cultures capable of that, most other things (regarding economic equity) will fall into place alongside it.

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