This rally cry (to dismantle DHS) sounds exactly like the kind of popular policy position the Democrats always take when they are out of power. Then, when we give them the power to act, they refuse to implement it (usually in service of some nonsense like “mending”, “coalition building”, or “returning to normalcy”).
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Abolish ice, abolish palintir, abolish space x and demilitarize the police. Police should have a bachelor’s degree at minimum.
Nationalise SpaceX or force it’s sale. Musk aside, it’s holding up American dominance of the space industry.
the word you’re looking for is NASA. Fund NASA
No fuck SpaceX. And space Force is already nationalized but fuck them too. They all need to be shredded.
We don't we need to dominate anything. That's chud think. We need to cooperate in space.
It's given me Nazi Germanic creeps since the moment it was named the Department of Homeland Security.
It’s time to dismantle the US Government, prosecute sex offenders, pedophiles, corrupt politicians and start over.
It's time to dismantle the government in general. The government (through ICE) are stifling people's liberties. It's time that the proletariat has a say. Seriously!
But then who will protect us from those 20 guys with box cutters?
You remember, the ones they used as the excuse to establish the ministry of the interior.
It's a war-time consolidation of power that has been irredeemably infiltrated & turned against the country's own residents. It can easily be dismantled l, with power distributed to competing agencies keeping each other in check, like it was for 200 years.
The day I can't vote is the day I take arms.
That might be a little like "not using the fire extinguisher until the fire has spread into the living room."
Too little, too late. Trump is talking about suspendeding the midterms. Might be time to show some guns.
I think this mentality breaks down in the reality of the system we currently have. They are constantly working to make your vote mean less. The structures of our constitution effective gerrymander the states' influence on national levels through the senate. Similarly, the electoral collage is built to favor the right. And after all that the higher courts have been packed by republican, effectively giving an override to functionally any law in the form of sloppy logic from a broken supreme court.
All of that to say, if you draw the line at specifically your ability to cast a vote, regardless of the voice you actually have, you've essentially decided so long as there is the theater of democracy you will do nothing to help save it.
Democrats will never dismantle an organization that they gain so much from. Prior to this year, the largest increases in federal funding to ice and the department of Homeland security have come from Democrats. Who else is going to do the record number of deportations for Democrats if it wasn't for ice and Homeland security? And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the one currently running things for Trump was running things for Obama.
Shouldn't it be primary season for the mid terms now? Are there any left, or at least progressive, candidates running anywhere?
Republicans one-party state FTW?
They didn't mention the 2nd part:
Dismantle the Democrats. Liquidate the Republicans.
Wait what? Kristi Noem ran DHS under Obama? What am I missing?
DHS?
It's time to dismantle the USA.
Its at this point a failed state and it should just fall apart in 50 independent countries. About half of them (I'll leave it as as exercise to the reader to figure out which ones) will turn into Canada type counties with healthcare
The other will turn into 3rd world banana republics that won't be able to feed their own population while having constant coup'detats going on. After a few decades the world will intervene and install normal functioning democracies in those countries after outlawing religion there.
A woman can dream
The world will interfere and fix them? Like who? Russia? China? Like everyone else intervened and fixed the middle east?
I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the usa.
The problem is the rich.
Actually we're long overdue, the time to dismantle the DHS was the same day it was created.
And how are we going to do that? By asking politely? Waving more signs? Marches?
Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.
If you want people to vote for us when there isn't a Republican in the White House then we need to push for leaders who
- Consistently tell people Republicans are bad people with bad ideas.
- Tell people creating ICE and DHS were Republican ideas and they need to be gotten rid of because Republicans have bad ideas.
- Tell people things were better back in the 90s before ICE existed because we didn't let Republicans' bad ideas ruin everything and we could just go back to what we were doing then.
- Publicly disown anyone who tries to campaign with Republicans or says anything positive about them.
Deviating from those things only loses us votes.
e; deleted something that was needlessly proactive
we could just go back to what we were doing then.
Except what you were doing in the 90s directly led to what you're doing right now. You can't press freeze on history; that's not how systemic problems work. The solution to the problems of the present lies in the future (and leftist commie socialism), not the past.
Read: There's no peaceful solution. Fascism in America has already reached critical mass. Start organizing before it's too late.
It doesn't matter how people vote if none of their available options wants to do this.
Articles like this are how you get people to sell candidates that have this position.
I guess it's just easier to whine about shit though.
If you think you’re limited in your options to represent you in government, then it’s not the land of the free.
It may seem like there’s only two viable options, and those two options will do all in their power to convince people of that, but anyone can be elected if they gain enough support. There are independents after all, and primaries still count for something too, if enough people show up to vote.
People need to vote in the primaries. As bad as turnout in the general election is, the primaries are fucking abysmal.
There are some economic strategies too, but they would involve varying levels of self-inflicted pain. They also need significant coordination to be effective.
loser talk
Yeah, the way it's phrased it definitely seems like they want to make things worse by blaming voters for behaving like voters instead of focusing criticism on the elected officials who refuse to really attack the Republican party and its policies and end up demoralizing everyone
Well, then please teach me how to talk like a winner. Seriously.
I can’t, but you could take this opportunity to stop posting quitter comments online. Just go away if you can’t help
And if “WE’RE FUCKED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO” is all you have to say, you have nothing to say
He literally posted a solution. Nothing about what he said was quitting, he was telling people what doesn't work. You know what also doesn't work? Negative comments on Lemmy. Relatively no one is reading this, and you are are just being aggressive. Relax.
He literally posted a solution
Where?
Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.
There. Right there. In the comment. Right there in the comment where he said, "Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution." That's the part.
He said we need to vote
You say we just need to talk like winners on the internet
At no point did anyone in a thread I replied to say we need to vote, I think you’re too upset about this now
- kindly point your eyeballs to the very first comment we’re all replying to
- read it
You're talking to 2 different people. Instigating people in bad faith and then trying to call them out about being emotional in their frustrated response is pretty childish, isn't it? You claim that giving up and making negative comments online is detrimental to the cause, but trolling allies probably doesn't help either.
You’re 100% right, it’s just so sad to see all these top comments “we’re doooooomed”
I feel the need to push back on that
That's literally what you're saying.
Try providing actual plans.
This sort of commenter frustrates me. I understand that they don't want to see negativity in the comment section, but they never offer any sort of positivity, just reprimand.
I’m saying there’s no value in adding doomer loser noise to the signal.
Adding a positive is positive, reducing a negative is also a positive. I’m reducing a negative by asking these helpless bleating losers to be less unhelpful and vocal.
I’m happy and open to having a positive and constructive conversation, but they don’t start with rude challenges
Still not providing an actual plan.
When you get one, post it.
And I consider phrases like 'doomer loser' pretty rude.
Adding a positive is positive, reducing a negative is also a positive. I’m reducing a negative by asking these helpless bleating losers to be less unhelpful and vocal.
Lol, telling someone who is claiming the solution is to convince people to vote a loser is positive?
I mean that's just the truth...... You can't make changes to the organization of the executive branch without securing the support of both the executive and Congress.
Maybe instead of loosing your shit about people being looser doomers, you might just want to read a book about civics.
You’re commenting on an edit, so I can excuse your tone, but you’re late to the party
You’re commenting on an edit
Do you not stand by your edit, what's the problem here?
I can excuse your tone
You just can't muster a rebuttal?
late to the party
Lol, now that's some weak loser shit. Why even respond if you don't have anything to say that actually defends your claims?


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