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[–] 217 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I'm not a judge, but isn't internet essentially a utility these days? Cutting someone off because of piracy seems like cutting off electricity or water because they did something illegal with it.

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  • [–] 142 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Net neutrality is why your online jokes were censored under Biden

    -- John McRacist, Republican congressman, former CFO of Evil Inc., former lawyer of Vile Ltd., member of Christofascism Society and Roman Salutes to Jesus

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm pretty sure this supreme court would rule that people don't have a right to electricity, or even water. They'll probably be totally ok with people losing internet access as punishment for crossing media owners.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    or even water

    Already did.

    We never stopped the “lol treaties with Native American tribes don’t count” bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Besides your point but this is the aspect about Gorsuch that I can't seem to make internally consistent. He almost always rules in terms of native rights – even when, I think, it stretches his supposed originalist guiding principle – yet is more than happy to rule as a conservative on all other times and support "industry" and big business (even when it stretches his supposed originalist guiding principle).

    I know that nothing necessitates a person to act logically and most act from emotion, more than anything, but most people, I find, have a relative reason they think they're being logically consistent but I can't seem to suss even that out, with regards to him.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They could even be totally innocent, the mere accusation is enough, wtf?

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago

    Pragmatically, yes. Legally, no. Progressives have been fighting for years to get internet classified as a utility in the US, and regressives and (ironically) internet companies have been fighting against that effort at every turn in the name of profit.

    And now look how well that's turned out. Gee, if only some people had warned them that deregulation was a monkey's paw...

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm some places in the States they will cut off your electricity or water for sharing with a neighbor that has had theirs shut off. I have seen both happen personally, and not in some back water state. They both happened in upstate NY.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’m not a United Statesian so I have no clue anymore how it works there, but other places have been making the case that the Internet is an essential service and that access to it is a basic right. So to leapfrog off your question, is that like a poor person stealing a loaf of bread being cut off from food because they didn’t food responsibly enough?

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  • [–] 149 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    If it's upheld, that's the precursor to full-blown info blackouts, just cut off internet to anyone 'accused' of wrongspeak against the powers that be, which is basically everyone.

    This also sounds like SOPA reborn.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh, so like they do in the uncivilized middle-east?
    Naaaah

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Given the US is ran by the New Fuhrer? I could see this being used against criticism of leadership or anything else resembling free will and not just piracy. I also find it sad that the day the US will probably die as a free country and turn into a dictatorship, is the same day it gained its independence in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Their uncivilized censorship regime vs. our civilized online child protection and anti-terror laws.

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Being accused of will lose you access to basic infrastructure? Why not cut electricity too?

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm not doing piracy, I am merely training my AI!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The recent judgement did not, in fact, say that pirating was legal if you use the pirated material to train AI.

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  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Accused???

    Well alrighty then, I hereby accuse the operators of donaldjtrump.com of piracy! Anybody else notice any piratical activity? Foxnews.com seems pretty fishy.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But it's not piracy if you use it for an LLM, right‽

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  • [–] 263 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Based on that logic, ammunition and arms manufacturers should be held liable for damages as well.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The US has a law to limit the liability of gun manufacturers.

    The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a U.S law, passed in 2005, that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. Both arms manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible. However, they may be held liable for negligent entrustment if it is found that they had reason to believe a firearm was intended for use in a crime.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    More like, if you steal something you are banned from using roads and sidewalks and doors.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, sure but to "steal something" is to imply that you're depriving the original owner use of the thing you stole. This is more like making an exact copy depriving nobody of use of the original thing.

    it's more like depriving someone use of roads, sidewalks, and doors because they got caught walking out of Kinkos

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gonna be a lot of issues that come from this. Legally speaking. It's already on the books that an IP address doesn't represent a single person... so I'm not terribly clear on how they plan to enforce this even if it were to pass.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago

    I nominate we test with out with the Zuck and his networks.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This still won’t make me pay for Netflix

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So if Meta is convicted of pirating books for AI training, they lose all internet connectivity? 🧐

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    dint they just rule AI can legally scrape/books, but not for people who are pirating directly.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Protip for anyone unfamiliar: Mullvad really is the gold standard for a private VPN. If you just want to pirate shit and not get angry letters from your ISP, Nord or PIA will accomplish that. But if you REALLY want privacy, Mullvad is it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    But if you need to pay for a „Media Flatrate“ anyway, and you have those 5€ a month, why not spend it for a good cause?

    (Also PIA and nord cost 12€ a month unless you sign their predatory 2 year contracts [which are even then just like 1€ per month cheaper], so mullvad is just way better in that regard too)

    Also features like UDPoTCP let you bypass local network restrictions, and the ability to pay with cash and Crypto is great if you dont want want to/ cant use paypal or a bank account for any reason

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "the internet" is a necessity and requirement to function in society. You can't be denied access to it anymore, it would be disproportionate.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Exactly, sure disconnect customers from the Internet if they use it for entertainment... but once they use it to earn the income that pays their bills, it becomes questionable... and once it is in practice required to be a citizen, at the local, national or supra national level then it becomes a totally different question, to which the answer is basically no, you can't disconnect someone otherwise you remove their citizenship.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is how you get a new darknet.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

    VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't public trackers add random IPs?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    They could. The protocol also supports IP spoofing, so doxing could also be a thing.

    For individuals, it is a time consuming and costly legal process, whether justified or not. For the law firm, it costs a few cents per letter, but they get a few hundred (or more) euros when some sucker pays.

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