The lies you tell yourself to cope with an abusive partner.
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Diplomacy is a thing. Why does nobody consider the likelihood he's just sweet talking Trump to try to keep things from escalating? Yeah it probably won't work, but talk is cheap.
This. Until the EU has a credible deterrence against Russia - and to some extent against the US riding roughshod - Denmark and Europe at large will say and do whatever is needed to keep America engaged.
But in 10 years time, when all the new gear that has been ordered is in use and mobilisation forces have been trained, patience with American bullying will grow very thin.
There’s a reason that the US has an official policy to undermine the EU; it’s pure divide-and-conquer. If Europe is unified (enough), they are a force to be reckoned with. If they are just a collection of small to medium countries they’ll be a compliant market to the US, with just enough backing for Russia to understand not to roll over Central European borders.
It’s geo-politics at play, on a grand stage.
Europe’s sole chance here is to build a decouple, duplicative, non-EU discriminating force structure (before you react to the use of the word discriminating, I’m only repeating what Madeleine Albrecht warned the EU against) that can act on its own, with its own continent wide nuclear umbrella.
The alternative is domination.
Better beg france to share nuclear tech. There likely isn't enough time to do it from scratch.
France should simply offer select participation in their nuclear program, by way of buying in to maintenance and development, and some staffing on their submarines.
Germany, Poland, Benelux, the Nordics, Spain and Italy would likely join.
A couple more SSBNs with English speaking staffing running under French procedure would work.
But the thorny challenge is to determine who determines when the button is pressed. Extremely clear simple rules, such as “If any member states are attacked with nuclear weapons, the attacker is counter attacked with nukes”. It would be impossible to have a “when the survival of a state is threatened” like individual nuclear states do.
To be fair, Denmark wants to prevent an armed conflict and trying to keep the American public in their corner is certainly a reasonable strategy.
I don't think that at this point the American public opinion of what is going on, really matters, besides internal politics within the USA. From the outside, it's a much larger problem than Trump, the current administration or even the American democracy. It's a sudden and unexpected loss of trust from an ally that used to be more or less confident.The risk of this happening again, in any way possible and impossible, has lowered its trustworthiness and it will take many generations of active work to change this
I don't think that at this point the American public opinion of what is going on, really matters, besides internal politics within the USA.
It absolutely matters beyond just internal politics. If you had asked me on December 31st, 2025 if I thought there was a credible threat of the US invading Greenland, I would have said, "Not likely" and just cracked it up to Trump's usual bullshit attempts to distract from his legal issues and failing domestic agenda. And then the US very brazenly waltzed into Venezuela and deposed Maduro.
Now, I think the threats against Greenland, and by extension Denmark, are serious. Public opinion won't necessarily stop Trump from invading Greenland. But, moralle does matter when it comes to the success of an armed conflict. Just ask Russia how their "Three day special military operation" in Ukraine is working out.
If I'm in Danish leadership and I'm now facing a credible threat to the lives of 5+ million people, I'm going to say whatever I have to say to try to prevent all out war. Trying to hammer the notion into the minds of the American public that their government is threatening a good friend and ally, rather than a belligerent enemy, is a completely reasonable approach. Especially considering the US's vastly superior firepower.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I hope they are actively preparing for the worst. I also hope it doesn't come to that.
The american public are already in their corner. Weve been waiting for all of you to sanction us and kick us out of your territory but it seems your all going to wait untik there are troops being deployed before you wake up. Seems to be what happened in WW2 also. So u guess no shock there
Sanctions and kicking troops out would all but guarantee a US intervention, especially because we respect the 1951 agreement which means the US has a direct right to build and maintain bases on Greenland and have done so for 75 years. We're trying to respect international law, not undermine it.
If you think the EU or Denmark sanctioning or taking aggressive action against the US does anything but bring misery to ourselves you're politically naive. It'd be the exact pretext the hawks surrounding the president needs.
Now, if anything does happen re Greenland I expect we'll start selling off US bonds, as would many other countries. That usually has Trump backing down pretty quickly as interest rates rise.
That said,, Greenland is a semi-sovereign nation within the Danish commonwealth, so they can choose to accept a US deal offering them e.g. a free association agreement or something like that, but most recent polls show 85% of Greenlanders are against a deal with the US.
2025 USA is not 1945/55/65/75/85/95/05 USA. This feels like when someone holds on to the memory of a loved one before the onset of addiction. The US is a junkie now, and its drug is fascism.
Yes, yes, continue with the appeasement, that's a brilliant tactic, for sure. And a great way to loose Greenland.
How does donnie do it man. Maybe the art of the deal is real
WAS an ally. Capitulation is NOT the way. The mobster will shit on Denmark anyway.
Now I am extremely unsure why @danielintempesta@programming.dev or @Ategon@programming.dev removed my comment.
Do they not see Denmark wants to capitulate to fascism?
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