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[–] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So... converging to bikes?

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    More like a moped, since it doesn't require paddeling pedalling.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The problems with these are:

    • People parking them in places that create obstructions or dangers to others
    • People riding them irresponsibly in shared spaces with pedestrians and cyclists

    They're basically a motorcycle in non-motor spaces, which creates major safety problems. We have the same problem with "fatbike" ebikes in the Netherlands, where they're super chunky and being driven by novices (youth) who create risk to others.

    It's nice to have alternatives to driving, but these are pretty poor alternatives. Also, they tend to only exist in tourist areas and tourist cities, meaning they aren't actually useful for residents.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    The ebikes have been horrible in my town this year, probably half of them at this point have been modified to sound like motorcycles... Seriously, they're just as loud. And I swear to god packs of kids will ride around with these things like a motorcycle gang. It's kinda funny when I see them about, but I can't say it'll stay that way.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Are the common? When I was about they were a joke people used to rent them and park them in lakes or hold lime parties where everyone abandoned them in a spot

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    So fo they require a license and safety gear?

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago*

    We seem to be entering the oddball territory of: throttle-only like a Class 2 ebike but no pedals like an e-scooter. Conceptually, this actually matches how lots of people are using micromobility today: hit the throttle, reach the speed governor, avoid death by inattentive motorists, and sail to their destination, with the only physical exertion being to balancing of the device.

    I have no beef with that. The reason I say it's an oddball is because of the legal situation. In California, the thing in the article thumbnail is a "motorized scooter" under CVC 21235, just like normal Lime scooters would be. The problem is that the laws here have grossly neutered scooters, when compared to bikes and ebikes.

    Despite having larger wheels and a lower center of gravity, this Lime variant would still have the same 15 MPH (25 kph) speed limit. This is a hard limit, meaning that even if a scooter could whizz down a hill faster than this, it is prohibited. Bicycles and ebikes have a different criteria, which is that the motor cannot provide assistance above a certain speed, and so downhill bombing is legal on a bike but not on this almost, nearly-a-bike e-scooter. Weird.

    Furthermore, e-scooters in California cannot make left turns. This is both absurd for this Lime scooter variant, and does not match what people actually do IRL. To be abundantly clear, this law requires e-scooter riders to dismount and cross the street on foot. Meanwhile, bikes and ebikes, motorcycles, and automobiles make left turns from the center of the road like normal traffic. And rollerbladers and skateboarders cross the street as pedestrians but can remain on their wheels. It's only e-scooters that have this weird restriction.

    What I'm getting at is that Lime has, rather sensibly, introduced a variant that matches what people want from micromobility. But in the rawest example of red tape, this would be legally neutered if brought to California, leading to the only practical options: 1) it just isn't ever brought here, because its advantages cannot be legally utilized, or 2) Lime does it anyway and "hopes" that riders obey the (asinine) laws.

    In a just world, we would pursue option 3: repeal or recast the e-scooter restrictions. Public policy is about making thoughtful tradeoffs, where something like personal, low-emission, readily-available, economically-viable transport should be encouraged, but needs to be regulated to prevent ER visits due to a mismatch of rider capability and motor power. I would rehash the 15 MPH limit to permit downhill running, and would abolish the left-turn prohibition (left turns still need to be executed safely).

    Furthermore, I would recast Class 2 ebikes to include pedalless variants (which are currently considered the same as motorcycles) if the device is less than 20 kg. This would address the collision risk (less mass reduces third-party injuries) when operating at the now-higher 20 MPH (32 kph), also conveniently deals with clutter on sidewalks (because it should be easy to move rental scooters, which IMO should park in car spaces), and limits battery size in a way that us compatible with short-distance operations in urban spaces.

    In this regime, a rental pedalless Class 2 in the city is a cross-city, one-seat mode of transport, whereas rental e-scooter remain useful for shuffling around a neighborhood or down a few blocks. For more range or more carrying ability, see the existing ebike categories.

    TL;DR: California should make e-scooters law match reality, and create a weight-limited pedalless Class 2 ebike category

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)