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[–] 42 points 10 months ago

our revenue is down close to 80%

oof. that's not something very many groups come back from. losing that much of their business and team, the project is on life support.

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    There's a whole lot of entitlement going on in that thread.

    If the maintainers didn't want to merge it because they had bigger issues to worry about, that's that. Whining about it and trying to pressure them with prospects of "becoming obsolete [if you don't merge this]" isn't going to make a convincing argument.

    They should either shut the fuck up and learn to RTFM, or maybe consider putting their money where their mouths are by actually paying to support the projects they seem to so desperately think they have a right to influence the direction of.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Very much so. I bet most of those people have never run an open source project or business, but they all have an opinion.

    Pretty sad to hear this though since I really like Tailwind. I wonder how many other projects this vibe coding bullshit will harm. So sad to see more wealth being concentrated instead of being distributed.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    hmm laying of %75 of the team unfortunately sounds like tying up any remaining businesses before closing down

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago*

    The fucking ai degenerates in there ahaha, fuck off the lot of you.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago*

    A comment late in the thread says none of the LLMs even use the PR-suggested llms.txt.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    At first I thought it was the creators of Thailand.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I feel dumber after reading that thread.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I'm not even sure. From a LLM standpoint that's even a good idea. From all my research on getting good output context matters. So if you throw too much junk in the middle it'll get evens stupider then it already is

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    [–] 32 points 10 months ago

    Sounds like Tailwind is facing some headwinds.

    I'll see myself out.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago

    What a shit show of a thread lol.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    A CSS framework that moves writing CSS into the html to make it stupidly long with annoyingly confusing class names.

    I might be biased though. I hate it.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I agree. I looked at tailwind and couldn't believe it was so popular. It defeats the entire purpose of CSS, and returns web dev back to the early 90s. Just stupid.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    What's the entire purpose of CSS according to you?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    It's effectively an alternative to plain CSS. Works well with component-based systems like React and Svelte.

    I used it for a few years and thought it was pretty good. I still use it on some of my projects.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    That sounds too loud, what’s the actual meaning behind what they’re saying? To me, that looks like maybe they hired too many people assuming their business would only grow. That’s the delusion some Silicon Valley folks have, with the sort of VC culture. Perhaps they shouldn’t grow in employees (why are there employees in the first place?) and try to be sustainable instead. The whole project looks so flashy, but does it even need to grow?

    And, forgot to add: what is 75% of employees? Were they tens? Were they a hundred? (Sounds absurd to me, but who knows.)

    Edit: according to this HN comment, they fired 3 developers out of 4.

    On a personal note, I’m not a fan. I used it in a couple of projects, and wasn’t sold on the idea of never ever learning CSS and make your classes not semantic at all. However, I think there might be cases where this approach makes sense. I just haven’t found it so far.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It makes if you use any sort of front-end library like React, Vue, Svelte, etc. The components are your semantic boundaries and the tailwind classes don’t need to be descriptive beyond what they actually do.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    They say because of AI people stopped visiting their page and now they can't sell them other services. I've been using tailwind for some time and I have no idea what other services they offer besides some component library. There are so many free alternatives that I never even considered checking it out. I think their business model is that that great to begin with and AI doesn't have much to do with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    google ai studio is now sponsoring them so the slop can continue
    https://xcancel.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2009339263251566902

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    thank goodness tailwind is pretty useless with new css tech. I'll keep on stickin with css :) It just wasn't a good idea, and certainly not valuable imo

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    what new css tech are you referring to?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    css layers mostly now, and then variables, and calc. Soon we're getting custom functions too!

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I thought CSS was for things like layout and fonts. How would genuine programming features factor in? Is this about replacing JavaScript?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    CSS is for StyleSheets (so yes layout and font but also more). Adding these features allows for more reactive/responsive styles where the style may be behaviorally defined instead of hardcoding styles.

    Basically the only thing I can think of to do with it is some kind of reactive layout that crunches some data and responds to it. IDK, I'm not a web dev and try to avoid CSS when I can.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    300 bucks for one "license"? I'm starting to understand the "get fucked" comment guy.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    It's not particularly bad value for what they're offering, which seems to be a component library and set of templates.

    For a comparison, the company I work for are paying over a £1000 / year for MUI-X, which is a set of paid React components. It's cheaper and more efficient than paying someone at our company to maintain our own component library.

    Even a single engineer spending 10% of their time (as I used to) maintaining this stuff would cost the company over £5000 / year in manpower.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    That’s for lifetime. Or you could pay five bucks a month for it. It’s been quite impressive, as a person who just uses the service. Tried it on the free tier liked it enough to start ponying up.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Lifetime of the product, not the user. It’s a scam.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    All subscriptions are for the lifetime of the product, aren’t they? It’s like Plex Pass; pay monthly/yearly or buy the lifetime and hope they don’t bankrupt out. But if you like a product like that, there’s only a few options, and it seems like they’re trying to stay afloat and still make a relatively open product.

    And there’s always the free tier for personal use, which seems to have been glossed over. (was thinking of a different product with tail in its name

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Tailwind : I can't believe it's not CSS ! Now with hallucinations !

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Looks like I’m sticking with bootstrap then

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