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[–] 5 points 1 year ago*

That list of nations is very short.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    What is NATOs involvement there?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The main NATO member countries are backing Israel, with money, weaponry, and promises of defense. This happened when the US invaded Iraq also.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, but individual countries supporting Israel by eiter finance, ammo or just providing Air defense doesn't make this a NATO operation just because they are in NATO.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The US is making full usage of the bases in Europe to support Israel, without them it would have been logistically very hard; short of like the invasion of Afghanistan without the collaboration of Pakistan. These US bases fall under the US European Command (EUCOM) but are integrated into NATO’s architecture. The European NATO members, not only provide the bases, but subsidize the costs (e.g., infrastructure, utilities), therefore, becoming participants with the Israeli Campaign.

    Countries can have some say. Spain, for instance, blocked some US airplanes destined to some campaigns, but it is just symbolic since the US just need not to declare the intention (or lie) and that is the end of the restrictions. It is not like Spain is going to inspect the vast amount of tonnage the US military is moving through Spanish ports, let alone between US bases. US could easily avoid the bases in Spain and use instead Germany, Italy and Morocco, but why would do so, when you can just humiliate your vassals in their face and have no repercussion at all... same as blowing up Nord Stream 2.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    every single country in that T-word organization (I leave figuring out what the "T" word is as an exercise for the reader) provides material support, whether directly or indirectly, to the settler-colonial entity.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
    1. it is not true that every single county does that
    2. the ones that do, do it as individual states. Same as backing Ukraine is the decision of every individual state rather than a NATO project
    3. NATO is not a Tennis Organization. :-)
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)
    1. it is not true that every single county does that

    For starters, every single member has diplomatic ties with the settler-colonial entity (save for Turkey's intermittent "severing ties" posturing), that alone is substantial material support. Now, I'm not going to list every single notable contribution to the settler-colonial entity for each member state in that organization, so please point out which member state does not contribute to the baby-and-women-murdering sex offender haven "state".

    1. the ones that do, do it as individual states

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_211209.htm

    NATO and Israel have worked together for almost 30 years, cooperating in domains such as science and technology, counter terrorism, civil preparedness, countering weapons of mass destruction and women, peace and security. Over the last year cooperation has grown, with NATO welcoming Israel’s intention to strengthen the naval interoperability by recognising Israel as a partner for NATO’s Operation Sea Guardian, and Israel’s Defence Force military medical academy now serving as a unique asset for NATO’s Partnership Training and Education Centres community.

    And even if that was somehow true, which it isn't, it still doesn't change the fact that every single country in that T-word organization provides material support.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well if you count decades old recognition of a state as a support of what is going currently in Gaza, i will not spend time to find any examples because on that premise you would be factually correct, but your premise is wrong. Past recognition of a state does not automatically mean support for its actions, which you seem to imply.

    Coopertation on anything else with NATO not really adressing the point, as we are discussing the situation in Gaza specifically, not Israels ties with NATO in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Why do redditors read the first sentence, somehow completely take away the wrong information from the first sentence and then proceed to ignore the rest of the comment as they refuse to elaborate their position?

    For starters, every single member has diplomatic ties with the settler-colonial entity. Two things that are explicitly clear here:

    1. This does not only equate to "past recognition". Diplomatic ties entail cooperation and a relationship between two states that facilitiates, among other things, trade and transport agreements and citizen travel between the two states. This is diplomacy 101. That said, it should not be hard to understand why having diplomatic ties to a settler-colonial entity counts as support for the genocide of the Palestinians.

    2. This is not the only point being made here. This is why I prefaced with "For starters". The fact of the matter is every NATO member does indeed provide material support to the vermin psycho-"state" full of grown men posing to the camera wearing clothes of the children and women they murder/violate.

    Also, NATO ties to the entity is PERTINENT to the point that NATO members and NATO itself provides material support to the entity to slaughter Palestinians. It's not hard to understand from the excerpt what "30 years of cooperation on domains such as science and technology, counter-terrorism" etc.. means. I just provided proof that material support from NATO was and is still happening, straight from NATO.

    Instead of engaging in deeply unserious one-note retorts that only serve to prove your lack of comprehension skills and insane mental gymnastics, point out which member state does not contribute to the baby-and-women-murdering sex offender haven “state”.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Redditors?

    About diplomacy 101 My country has diplomatic relations with russia for example. We do however not cooperate in most aspects. In fact we are on the list of their enemies.

    My country also has diplomatic ties with israel. And we do cooperate. Mostly in education. My country is also a NATO member without a single US soldier or base present. Also opposed to current Gaza events.

    Vermin psycho state is a bit too much for me. I'd just stop the discussion here.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Ah, Yugoslavia. How dare anyone disturb that genocide.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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    Of all the things, you decided to defend that scumbag. He and his cronies were one of the primary agitators that caused the war. Even if he himself didn't order a genocide, he actively militarily supported the Bosnian Serbs that caused one. And say what you want but the bombing did stop the active ethnic cleansing happening in Kosovo.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Bombs were falling on civilian targets nowhere near Kosovo. Various bridges, schools, hospitals, a chemical plant in Pančevo that almost destroyed the entire city, the Chinese embassy, a bomb fragment fell literally in my family's garden. Hundreds of civilians died, my grandma almost impaled on a table from a bomb shockwave and the glass shattered onto the cradle I was in (I was 1 year old at the time), but luckily my mom placed protection around me just in case. This was on the far north of Serbia.

    To be clear, OP is a tankie who shouldn't be given any attention or a platform (I checkes their post history), but the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 was a campaign that caused untold suffering to countless civilians (be it in injuries, deaths, or just going through every day not knowing whether you and your loved ones will be alive tomorrow) that had absolutely nothing to do with Kosovo, something that left scars in society that are still felt. It was not simply "disturbing a genocide". Not to mention that it was an attack launched without the approval of the UN.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Gotta love 2025. Is this an alt-right post or an alt-left post? No one can tell. Horseshoe theory, etc etc.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Anyone against NATO is against Western imperialism and would be considered a "leftist" by Western standards (just humane and ethical for the rest of the world). I don't see what can be misunderstood here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Plenty of far-right people would be leftist then. Interesting

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, true. I have observed that too in the last few years. If you see someone saying we should not support Ukraine there is a 50/50 chance they are far-left or far-right. Pretty impossible to tell in most cases.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    With all that is happening in the world, someone decides to spend time to make a meme about NATO being a bad guy?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well yeah, considering they are the bad guy, NATO is nothing but an organization for the furtherance of US empire led expansionism

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    I have never met anyone who supports NATO

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So you have never met Eastern Europeans?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    I support NATO, in the sense that if NATO dissolved Europe would get eaten like a three-course meal by Russia. Ukraine shows that all too clearly. it has many problems, though.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    How many of their NATO neighbors have they attacked vs their non-NATO neighbors?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They wanted to prevent them from joining because they couldn't bully them if they managed to join. I think that answers for both.

    Now your turn to answer my original question, please.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    You've quite rudely ignored my question even though I promptly answered yours.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It doesn't matter that Russia hasn't attacked NATO countries but it has and currently is attacking non-NATO countries? Interesting take

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I was just saying that none of the members have got attacked by Russia and quite a few of the non-members have. Might be an indication of something. Not sure where you got genetics from tbh.

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    I don't know how you got from countries and military alliances into genetic traits to attack other countries. Pretty big leap imo.

    I've heard some .ml people call NATO a virus but I didn't think it was literal

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was just saying that NATO countries haven't been attacked by Russia whereas non-NATO countries have, so it might be that the membership has maybe something to do with it.

    I thought it was a simple point but you've since brought up genetics and good and evil into it, which honestly surprises me since I don't know where you got any of that

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Why do you think Russia invaded Ukraine? Like, what is their primary goal. The impetus that drove them to approve the invasion.

    Because they want to become a global power once again. That is their dream. They want to be imperialists themselves, but unfortunately for them, they have failed to do so. In the past decades they have poked their noses into Africa and the Middle East, with some success. But simultaneously they have lost their grip on regions they previously considered to be under their imperialist umbrella. It started with Georgia, which they solved with violence. Next it was Ukraine, and then Syria. And then all the unrest in Belarus. They got spooked that their imperialist dream was failing, so they went in to change the regime in Ukraine. But that didn't work out as they planned. And to top that, they also lost their foothold in Syria completely. And now, just recently, they are losing Azerbaijan too.

    Secondly, what do you think the functioning role of NATO is?

    Honestly, it is to protect US geopolitical interests in Europe. Making Europe depend on the US for its defense. But it is not that bad of a deal for Europe, as it keeps the peace (in "western" Europe).

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    They never had an Empire as the Soviet Union.

    But they did. That's why Mao called them social imperialists.

    As for NATO, it's to ensure western imperialism stays intact. The US is the main beneficiary, but western Europe participates because they also profit from brutal exploitation of the global south.

    That just brings into question how NATO is a threat to Russia then? The only way that would be true is that either a) Russia sees them as imperialist competition, or b) the threat is that Russia can't attack its neighbors without retribution.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I acknowledge the argument NATO is encircling Russia. To what extent does Ukraine differ from other actions by Russia such as Georgia in 2008? Which sorts of actions are not resistance to NATO encircling?

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