WHAT WOULD DONALD Trump have to do for the U.S. media to frame what he is doing in Venezuela as an act of war?

This isn’t a rhetorical question. It’s an actual inquiry, the pursuit of which can reveal a lot about how U.S. media’s default posture is state subservience and stenography. In the past few months, President Trump has committed several clear acts of war against Venezuela, including: murdering — in cold blood — scores of its citizens, hijacking its ships, stealing its resources, issuing a naval blockade, and attacking its ports. Then in a stunning escalation on early Saturday morning, the administration invaded Venezuela’s sovereign territory, bombing several buildings, killing at least 40 more of its citizens, kidnapping Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife from their bed, and announcing they will, henceforth, “run” the country.

This episode seems to indicate that the president can do almost anything in the context of foreign policy, and the media will still overwhelmingly adopt language that is flattering and sanitizing to the administration when describing what has unfolded. This dynamic reached a new low Saturday morning, when the U.S. media rushed to frame the administration’s unprovoked attack as, at worst, a “ratcheted up” (CBS News) “pressure campaign” (Wall Street Journal) and, as was more often the case, some type of limited narcotics police “operation” (CNN).

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[–] 173 points 10 months ago (15 children)

If China decided that trump had violated some domestic law of theirs, and sent their military into Florida, dragged him and his third wife out of their beds, flew them back to their territory, and put them in prison, would these assholes consider that an act of war?

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  • [–] 71 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [+] -42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    lmao the lemmy replies showing exactly why no one has declared it war, literally no one gives a shit about an oppressive dictator who clung to power using the military post being voted out

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's not the point. The point is, who made specifically the US the World Police? This kind of forced intervention is how you create the Taliban, ISIS, etc. What is your response to that?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    The world made the US the world police. Where were Venuzuela’s neighbours when dictatorship set in? Why weren’t they parking their tanks on the president’s lawn? Why has the UN Army been repeatedly rejected by members?

    The usual disinterest, apathy and self interest governs all countries.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    MAGA would be screaming about it until the end of time if that happened. Because it's different. Somehow.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They'd say "interesting that you'd use China as an example you commie"

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  • No no no, you've got it backwards. It's .ml users who'd get mad at you for comparing China and the US. "It's a false equivalency!"

    Like I had happen to me just the other day when I compared the US regime's invasion to the invasion of Ukraine and the lack of any real response from world leaders.

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  • [–] 111 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”

    Or the support of the press !

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Major news organisations in general are really scared when it comes to pointing out things which are extreme, because they believe describing those things as extreme will lead to accusations of sensationalism. The reason they think that is because sensationalist outlets are indeed more likely to describe everything as extreme and make unjustified comparisons to extremities, so major media outlets often think that to be "unbiased" is to refuse to acknowledge that an action is extreme.

    Vox described this as the "this is fine" bias.

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  • [+] 87 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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    Friggin RIGHT?!?!?!

    The semantics at play indicate the media "watchdogs" have put their tails between their legs and pissed themselves.

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  • [+] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I keep trying to point this out to my mother, who keeps overreacting to one news story after another. She agrees in the moment that it's all theater, then goes right back to being outraged by every obvious bait story.

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  • [+] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 100 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    ABC was covering it like it was a football game. "Incredible performance from the US military", "Flawless victory over the Venezuelans", "Impressive display of professionalism from the troops"

    Makes me sick.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    That is nauseating. These are human lives, 80 people died

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    And its the military’s job to kill people. I’ve never got people who love soldiers.

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  • [–] 82 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    "Special military operation"

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Hey if big daddy Putin can do it, why can't diaper Donny?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Calling in war would make both of them criminals.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Ehm... I'm sorry if this comes as a blow, but they both are criminals (Trump already found guilty on 34 accounts). They have been criminals for most of their lives.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago

    Billionaire owned media isn't covering this?

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It is an act of war, the "capture" of Maduro is a kidnapping, and the deaths of ~80 cuban and venezuelan security and civilians is murder.

    USA is a rogue state.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Special Millitary Operation in Venezuela. Quick 30 minute adventure. 

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Dipshits are gonna be greedy, fuck it up and turn it in to an another Afganistan. This time really close to home.

    Nobody likes Maduro. They should play with that, take their successful 30min and exit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If nobody likes Maduro, why is the USA placing Venezuela under extreme economic sanctioning?

    Maduro is not an illegitimate or unpopular leader. The Bolivarian revolution was widely supported among the people of Venezuela and freed millions from poverty, until USA sanctions demolished their economy. The express purpose of USA sanctioning, according to the US government is to, and I quote, "bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government". USA+EU sanctions additionally murder half a million innocents per year according to recent serious sociologic and medical studies.

    By defending regime change under extreme economic sanctioning, you're approving the murders of 38 million people over the past 50 years of economic sanctions, and directly supporting the CIA strategy of "impoverish them until they change their minds".

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The world is sleepwalking into WWIII

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The subscription billionaire media companies are all complicit, and have been for quite a while.

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    [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Will be interesting to see what Maduro’s trial judge says.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    As IF he gets anything close to a fair trial. Everything about this kidnapping was illegal to begin with. All world leaders can now be kidnapped in their beds by US Special Forces. What happened to Noriega will happen to Maduro.

    Why haven’t they captured genocider Netanyahu?? Oh right…….

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    The US media is owned by the same oligarchs who benefit from his fascism. Why would they bite the hand that feeds?

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    "Special Military Operation"

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    nah bro its just a gentle love tap

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Christ, I hope my country is putting some serious effort into jailbreaking their F-35s.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    So long as you’re fine with whatever consequences the US is willing to impose on you for doing so, this can’t seriously be that hard—right? IIRC, the US just controls the server that signs flight plans? So… worst case scenario, that’s managed by a chip without any write access? Reverse engineer the little chip to ask your own server for permission, no?

    Given we’re talking about state-sponsored capabilities here, am I oversimplifying things? I don’t feel like I am.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This was an act of war wrapped in the shroud of narcotics enforcement

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Who actually believed that justification? Not even the MAGA crowd believe it, they just straight up say its about oil. Back in 2016 they called neocons "rhinos", now MAGA is neocon, cheering for the very same things they previously hated Bush Jr. for.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    It’s just locker room abduction.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do ya'll not have search engines? Literally anybody can find like 20 articles calling it an Act of War with the press of a button.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Anyone that doesn’t is on his payroll and not to be trusted.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Does Venezuela see this as an act of war? Regardless of if they're going to fight or not. Ask people.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    The Venezuelan government might. But according to some DW reporting and footage earlier today, the actual reaction of ordinary Venezuelans is mixed, and mostly concern and confusion rather than anger or fear. Maduro is generally not popular in Venezuela but I doubt many people really wanted the US to come and kidnap him. And understandably those who supported him are in the streets calling for his release.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    The Venezuelan government could likely consider this to be an act of war based on international law. The question right now is if it wants to.

    Technically, Trump performed this attack without declaring war and his war powers without a Congressional declaration. Per American law, the USA isn't at war with Venezuela. If Venezuela declares that this is an act of war, it gives Trump a better pretense to get war declared on Venezuela. It also vastly changes how neutral powers can treat both countries during the war.

    Countries have fought wars without declaring wars before. The military action surrounding the invasion of the Falklands was done without either nation officially declaring war.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (9 children)

    Of course Maduro government doesn't like the situation, but people's opinion is important.

    Yes, the method is still not right, but for now from my Eastern-European point of view the situation become better than it was.

    Let's wait for how the power transition will end.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    for now from my Eastern-European point of view the situation become better than it was

    Situation is so much better now that 100 people have been murdered in the name of oil!

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Venezuela was supporting Russia, now that will stop most probably. And Russia kills hundreds every day in Ukraine.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    The US + EU kill half a million yearly through economic sanctions alone, much more than the mortality from the Ukraine war. Should we also destroy those countries?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Oh, and of course EU sanctions Russia just for the sake of evil? As soon as Russia retreats from Ukraine, shoves its army to Putin's ass and compensates the damage, sanctions will be lifted. Russia is the cause of all this shit. And destroying Russia is a good way as long as Russia is unwilling to stop aggression.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The EU sanctions Russia because we're US puppet states, but the sanctions are more harmful to other countries like Cuba, Venezuela or the DPRK, none of which has invaded any other country. The half a million deaths per year mostly come from such countries and not Russia (though I fail to see how it's morally good to prevent medical goods from entering Russia or anywhere in the world).

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The EU sanctions Russia because we’re US puppet states

    The EU sanctions Russia to defend itself from Russian aggression.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    And why does the EU sanction Venezuela and the DPRK and complies with sanctions against Cuba? Again you're avoiding talking about the 38 million murdered by US + EU sanctions since 1970

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    Why they would? like come on dude! do you want to be taken to el salvador ? like wake up! USA is a dead country where people are deported for what they are saying. Why The media or any media would want that?
    USA started a war with Iraq and many other countries including Venezuela. We all pretend that didn't expect it, but yet we knew, and we are partners in a crime. The thing is we didn't stop it and we wont(as countries).
    Sit and watch.

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  • [+] -12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It's all Western media. And governments. EU deserves Greenland to be invaded - I wonder what'll be the reports then like.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (5 children)
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    If they are fine with US invading random countries, why would they be concerned when they are invaded?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t think they are fine with it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    Did they publicly accused US of war and kidnapping, perhaps filled a lawsuit or something about it or at least condemned US? Or did they say it's fine as long as international law is followed, we are with US blah blah? Rhetoric question, obviously.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    International law is very clear that the seizing of ships is not a casus bellum. Claiming it is a “clear act of war” suggests the author is more interested in rabble-rousing and news-as-a-team-sport than answering the question, which is disappointing.

    It’s churnalism like this that landed us with Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson, and all the other crap.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    If you told me ten days ago the US would capture Maduro, bomb the shit out of a variety of military sites, and kill a bunch of civilians in the process, I would ask which American navy vessel was attacked to start the war.

    But, uh.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Seizing of ships? My sibling in Christ Nicolás Maduro was kidnapped by the USA

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm aware the US has seized ships, the act of war would be the invasion of the country, bombing of civilians, and kidnapping of the president

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Right, but the article claims theyre all acts of war.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I think this is not necessarily the case, the article could be interpreted as calling these “acts of war” from a colloquial standpoint, which is a judgement informed by the fact that we know now that the USA performed the kidnapping. It’s not necessarily saying that these acts should’ve already been called acts of war back then.

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