Former Trump administration official and wife of top Trump aide Stephen Miller, Katie Miller, posted Saturday on X (formerly Twitter) an image of Greenland covered in the U.S. flag with the text “SOON”.

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[–] 191 points 10 months ago (32 children)
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  • [–] 88 points 10 months ago* (28 children)

    This isn't the American people. It's the will of thousands of the world's most powerful multinational oligarchs — billionaires and old money millionaire elites (plus all their class-traitor lapdogs and puppets) — who are actively corrupting ALL politics and public discourse; waging class warfare, globally.

    Murdoch is one of the most well-known examples, but I'm sure there are hundreds (if not thousands) of fossil fuel and military contractor investors or board members — you've never heard of — who are criminally corrupt psychopaths that deserve to be in the dirt.

    These people's only allegiance is to the almighty dollar. They have no real virtue, morals, or ethics.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yes but also us Americans, so proud of our second amendment, are refusing to use it for its intended purpose.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Sure, but a lot of people also don't want to get vaporized by a dot in the sky. Pretty much impossible to shoot a reaper drone down with small arms.

    The only way out is through a general strike (unlikely to happen because the billionaire class has intentionally made everyone too poor, so citizens cannot last very long without pay) or through other countries dumping US bonds.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    Half of the American people voted for him. So it absolutely is.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    Only about 2/3rds voted, so closer to 30% voted for him

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Remember 4.7 million voters were purged from the rolls in 2024.

    Yes too many didn't care enough to vote but enough were prevented from voting to swing the election. Republicans are an anti democracy party

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Always were. You know that bullshit they always spewed about "small government"? What they meant was NO government, because then the power is wielded by money and physical strength, i e fascism, just like they want it.

    They don't believe in democracy because they believe they must and shall rule regardless of whatever anybody else wants.

    Just like a religion, just like a cult. Now look at them!

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    And the other 1/3 didn't mind trump enough to vote. So yes, it is the majority of American people.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Because of the electoral college, getting out to vote when you otherwise wouldn't have is almost entirely useless in most states as the party most states will side with is basically a forgone conclusion.

    On top of that, the Republican party has spent decades making it deliberately difficult to vote by limiting the number of polling places, as well as limiting mail in voting.

    The Democratic party on the other hand refuses to attempt radical economic upheaval that poorer US citizens desperately need because Democrats are still the "moderate" party that is in the pocket of billionaires.

    The Republicans routinely promise radical actions that they say will make things better for everyone. They're lying of course, but it's hard to be exceptionally poor, have no access to health care and vote for the party that is not advocating radical actions on your behalf.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's 1 day every 4 years (2 including midterms). Even if the nearest polling place is 1 hour drive away. Even if your vote won't be the deciding vote. In my country it takes less than 10 minutes to vote, but lets say it is 2 hours in the USA. That is a total of 4 hours.

    If 1/3 of US-Americans are not willing to "lose" 4 hours every 4 years. And 1/3 of USAmericans directly vote for fascism. Then a majority of USAmericans are ok with fascism.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Every election is held on a Tuesday. Most of those people cannot afford to take a day off of work because capitalism has fucked them over so badly.

    Republicans have also stymied any attempts to turn election day into a national holiday specifically for this reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Okay but that just means we don't know what 1/3 would do.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    We know exactly what they are doing already. Watching the trains go by to Dachau saying "better them than me". Watching their sons and daughters go to war saying "well I'm not really political".

    Feckless cowards. They bear full responsibility for the current situation yet you can't count on them to do anything they aren't made to do.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You know, sometimes I see all you non-americans pissed off that "nothing is being done" and think "know what? Maybe we should let the regime destroy the world."

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  • [–] 163 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    This is the kind of imperialism that caused both world wars. Stop it now, or we all die in inevitable nuclear holocaust.

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  • [–] 100 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    America are working on their own holocaust, they built concentration camps and a secret masked police

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We did it to the Japanese, we're doing it to Mexicans. The cages have been there for over a decade with plenty of coverage but no one stopped them.

    We have secret police known as undercover officers in unmarked vans. That's just on the local level of militarized police.

    We have the SS known as ICE that was set up to arrest brown people post-9/11.

    We gave up freedoms out of fear and now they use that fear to arrest anyone who questions the state.

    We've been the bad guys since the Patriot act. When people protested it and got beaten by police it was a meme in 2004. "Don't trade me bro!"

    We're fucked. We only have ourselves to care for. Be kind to your friends and family, don't listen to a god damn cop.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Don't tell us, tell the oligarchs

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They've already built survival bunkers. The nuclear Holocaust isn't a worry for them. It's part of their plan

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    The bunkers they built on Maori land? They offered them to new Zealand, remember? Oh... They really thought private land ownership protected them from the government/ people from taking them back at any moment?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Here's the problem. War has always been the go-to solution when the USA had major troubles. At this point, I'm convinced World War III is inevitable. Simply because it's the only way for the USA to try and fix its economy. Otherwise it's recession or worse once the AI bubble pops.

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Won't this be a direct attack on Denmark/Europe?

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  • [–] 69 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Also an attack against a NATO founding member, by another NATO founding member, making it the most confusing triggering of article 5 requiring the US to come to the aid of Denmark against itself.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I hope the good states ally with NATO to take down Florida, and allow Canada to give Trump's Ballsroom the British treatment: Gone up in smoke and flame.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    This threat alone is enough to show how much of a laughable alliance NATO is. America's veto power already showed the security theater for what it is, but this is the final coup de grâce to the image of NATO being anything more than America's lapdog.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Why do liberals continue to assert American fascists acting on behalf of international finance and the O&G industry are always and forever a cat's paw for the Evil Foreigners?

    Is it really that hard to believe American plutocrats might be the primary beneficiary of an American campaign to expand America's territory?

    "We do need Greenland, absolutely. We need it for defense," Trump told The Atlantic in an interview published Jan. 4, describing the island as reportedly "surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships."

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    That’s not what was implied in the comment your replaying to, they just stated it’s something Putin would greatly enjoy and benefit from. Not that he or any other state or non state actor are pulling the strings.

    And they are correct, strategically it greatly benefits his aims in Ukraine for the EU to have its attention taken by the US annexing part of a member nation, not to mention the collapse of NATO.

    And I’m not defending anyone here, American and its rich rulers are pieces of shit, Putin and the Russian oligarchs are pieces of shit, and even though they aren’t doing anything wrong in this instance the leaders/authorities of every major player in geopolitics are also in fact pieces of shit.

    Edit: and before you start, politically I’m best described as an anarchist in the fashion of David Graeber so not a liberal by a long sight

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    it’s something Putin would greatly enjoy

    Why would Putin enjoy a heavy US naval presence in the contested Artic Circle waters?

    strategically it greatly benefits his aims in Ukraine for the EU to have its attention taken by the US

    The Danish are not meaningfully contributing to the Ukraine conflict. And there is no reason to believe the big EU militaries would stop feeding supplies to Ukraine if the US invaded Greenland.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Why would Putin enjoy a heavy US naval presence in the contested Artic Circle waters?

    In theory, he might not like a heavy foreign naval presence, but Greenland is already NATO aligned. So he'd be trading a NATO aligned region for a US-only region in exchange for a fractured NATO. Sounds like a decent trade. Also keep in mind practically speaking they are probably equally unlikely to actually boost military presence much, and if they really wanted just that, NATO would probably mostly let them do it if USA paid for it, without USA having to take it.

    The Danish are not meaningfully contributing to the Ukraine conflict. And there is no reason to believe the big EU militaries would stop feeding supplies to Ukraine if the US invaded Greenland.

    This isn't about just Denmark, which materially would barely be impacted right now since Greenland is doing practically nothing. It's about the notion of one NATO member invading another, and the absolute clusterfuck that would bring. A USA versus European NATO scenario would be his dream scenario. See "Foundations of Geopolitics", where it's mostly about getting Russia's opponents to fracture and ruin alliances:

    Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".

    This is also the book that makes annexation of Ukraine the top priority, that it must be secured before the broader Russian agenda can be executed. It also says they need to make the UK isolated from the broader EU. They know that above all else alliances must be broken for them to stand a chance to seize power.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    This isn’t about just Denmark, which materially would barely be impacted right now since Greenland is doing practically nothing. It’s about the notion of one NATO member invading another, and the absolute clusterfuck that would bring.

    A lot of the Trump plan for Greenland's annexation revolves around love-bombing the existing inhabitants and effectively buying the island out. Incidentally, not unlike the Chinese plan for Taiwan or the original Russian plan for Crimea. This follows domestic efforts on the island for full independence that Danish intelligence believes has been exacerbated by American media and intelligence interference.

    Obviously, ended up backfiring. But you don't need a NATO invasion so much as a Color Revolution, which Americans have (historically) been pretty good at setting up.

    However you slice it, Russia doesn't benefit from this in any material sense. And constantly holding the Russians up as a boogeyman when the crooks leading this scheme are squarely rooted inside the White House, not the Kremlin, is as obtuse as it is xenophobic. "Everything I don't like is The Bad Foreigners" is the mentality that produced Trumpism to begin with. Liberals leaning into it only guarantee more Trumps into our future.

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  • [–] 57 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Can't wait to see France and Germany justify that one.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    They'll probably just bend over at this point to be honest

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Don't have another choice, with our european army against the biggest army in the world from our own ally... Smh

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    An EU embargo of the US (including banning "services" like tech) would likely crash the US economy (probably the EU economy too). I think the EU will just allow the US to do whatever it wants though, with the wealthy just bribing all the important politicians and ramping up propaganda to promote far-right ideology.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    So we don't have a choice, to protect our economy we have to allow the usa to do what they want, right? I suspect far right ideology might even win as well... seeing at how popular they are becoming and all the propaganda from all sides fr

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    At this point, we need to use force to stop Trump

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    At this point ? What was the threshold for you ?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Like some Establishment Democrats are secretly bootlicking Trump, and plus he claimed to have made antifascism a "crime" which violates the First Amendment (which allows for the freedoms of speech, of the press, of religion, of expression, to assemble peacefully and to redress grievances to the government and such). Seriously!

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Its risky, but ...OK. I'll tell Schumer to release the next memo. VERY strong language in this one. There will also be a walk out and a minute of silence, in both the Senate and the House (probably).

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Turn his own supporters against him. The younger ones aren't stupid.

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    Talk to any you know and post anti-trump stuff on websites like Gab where there are a lot of pro and anti trump users and very little algorithmic influence. Portray him as a war monger and an extension of bush/cheney. I've yet to see any memes make the comparison.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Many of us have been trying to get people to organize online to do that in real time communities on say Matrix and Stoat to inform, collaborate, strengthen each other, etc but people need to stop scrolling, and do.

    The whole country as a matter of fact.

    How do we get through to people who want to be entertained?

    Plenty of us already are doing but we need way more

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  • [–] 69 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I never thought I'd be on the side opposing the US in WWIII, but hey ho, here we go.

    (And this might even mean I'm on the side opposite my own government depending on how things progress here in the meantime.)

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I don't quite understand how there are people that ever thought the U.S. was good. How could anyone look at their zealotous imperial superiority masturbation and not just be struck with revulsion is beyond me. It's like the west collectively drank their kool aid and is only now slowly, and tentatively starting to wake up to how fucking insane that country is.

    I'm 100% certain that they could invade and occupy Greenland and the rest of Europe would still be like "yeah but like... they're the good guys?"

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Interestingly the US is the least kool aid drinking of Western nations when it comes to managing 'great power' realpolitik. Its unabashedly imperialistic with carefully constructed domestic propaganda. It effectively convinces its subjects of its (false) moral legitimacy, generally speaking.

    Europe is the most kool aid drunk at the moment. Stagnation, impending demographic collapse and vastly overestimating their standing on the global stage. Trumps crass handling of relations with Europe has been a wake up call there to say the least. Alexander Stubb's (president of Finland) speech at the G20 was hopefully heard by and reflected on by EU leaders. Most of the world perceives Europe as having lost its strategic autonomy to the US, mainly though complacency.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It was mostly other imperialist countries and their vassal states, why wouldn't they accept another of their own?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm talking more on an individual basis. Countries I get.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Nationalism then. People love to feel important or like they're part of something, even if they put no actual effort towards that end. Just identify with the place you happened to be born and convince yourself its victories are your own.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    The US already has access to Greenland's minerals. Greenland is in NATO. The fat, orange murderer/felon/rapist is greedy beyond measure.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Lol it's not about getting the US access, it's about getting his personal business ties access at the expense of the American taxpayer/lives of American soldiers. He doesn't care about wealth for the country, he cares about wealth for himself.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's even dumber then that. It's because Greenland looks big on the map.

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