Cue the "are we the baddies?" Meme.
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FFS...
60yrs ago, I was proud and counted myself lucky to be both an American and a Texan... Now, I'm just embarrassed to be either one of these.
How far both have fallen. I'm just devastated, chastened, sorry, and personally hurt I've lived long enough to witness the complete demise of both entities.
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What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim.
To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade, and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy—a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages.
There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices, more shocking and bloody, than are the people of these United States, at this very hour.
-Frederick Douglas
We’ve never really been great, unless you were White and Male. But we have been good at selling the grift.
Good on you for seeing past the lie.
I'd argue that a nation which has slowly and tediously addressed those things is great.
I know this is Lemmy, and you can also only say good things about China and Russia, so don't feel obligated to find any good in the US.
Critical support is okay, but if we dismiss our wrongs to the point progress stalls and reverses because of complacency, that's something that needs addressing, along with failure to be disabused of cherished illusions and delusions.
Goodness no, I hate the Russian and Chinese government. They can all go take a long walk off a short pier.
And the fact that we can address these things, and occasionally change them (unlike China and Russia), is I suppose a bit encouraging.
But that’s small encouragement next to the mass slavery, targeted attacks, and disenfranchisement throughout our history, and so much of it by regular everyday citizens cheerfully doing terrible things to other regular everyday citizens, no (or very little) government involvement required.
And it’s still going today. The majority of people in this country refused to vote, or voted for a felon who ran on a program of destroying the constitution, over a PoC woman. Because they liked Trump’s message more, or, even more damning, figured that since they probably wouldn’t be impacted, it didn’t matter.
I know this is Lemmy, and you can also only say good things about China and Russia
That's just .ml and their alts.
Stop simping for Daddy Donald and fascism, he ain't gonna let you suck his toes.
America has never addressed those issues and we've still regressed so much since Reagan was in office. Fuck the US and fuck the Flavor-Aid about "American Exceptionalism" they pour down our throats from the moment we first enter a school. I found the pledge of undying loyalty weird when I was in elementary school, and I don't like it any more 30 years later with all the other things I now know they lied about or swept under the rug.
America has never been great and I have never been proud to be from this country.
Texas has always been America's skid marked undies tho. Always. Ever since Americans moved there to specifically steal it from Mexico. This is why Republicans call Mexican immigrants "invaders", because they're worried Mexico is doing the same thing we did to them.
The Spanish "moved" to Texas to steal it from the natives though
The Natives "moved" to Texas to steal it from the previous group of natives.
I mean, current Europeans descend from steppe herders who conquered the previous farming population
Even if you're a European in Europe your ancestors were a band of marauding nomads
That's kind of my point. It's turtles all the way down.
Also true, but that's not the subject atm. Both can be true. The subject here is that Texas, and by extension, it's history, and Texas pride is bullshit, as are most of its people. Born into trash, continued trash, and proud of their trash existence. Fuck Texas.
People can't help where they're born, or genetic qualities, even if they're designer babies, because that's what their parents chose. Be proud of accomplishments you effected not off the backs of those who legitimately didn't have a choice.
But Californians should be proud to be Californians despite circumstances of the handover of California being largely similar?
Whataboutism is an extremely weak rhetorical device. Do better.
Name a country that didn't displace the original population to exist
Certainly not in the Americas, the Europeans colonized the shit out of it. Not even the UK where the English actively replaced the Irish in Northern Ireland.
Not France, the Romans pushed out the Gauls and colonized it and forced everyone to speak Latin.
Not even Lithuania, where the steppe nomads conquered the neolithic European farmers and took their women as wives
Not even Ukraine, where the early homo sapiens displaced the Neanderthals with only a small amount of mixing
Oklahoma has Texas to thank for their panhandle. Ask them about it some time.
You gotta be fucking kidding me with this. I’ve got room for like, 4 people, if any Palestinians can get out and need shelter. I wouldn’t want to come to this country, but it might be slightly better than Israel right now. Although that probably won’t last much longer.
Smallpox blankets all over again
It's even better. With smallpox blankets they die and are freed of this mortal coil. With opioids they can get addicted and feed the machine until they are no longer useful. Capitalism baby!
I don't think they can really feed the machine. I think they just die an excruciating death
We’re going to find out that some lunatic Christian dominionists in the CIA are the ones who actually laced all the recreational drugs with Fentanyl aren’t we
Ah man. I wasn't making a suggestion when I said I was surprised the food aid wasn't being poisoned. 😮💨
The US is working overtime at making the rest of the world hate them. Gotta justify those defense industry expenditures huh?
Oxycodone most certainly does not cause hallucinations. Severe and i mean severe withdrawal may cause hallucinations but the drug itself does no such thing. That's just false
Assuming they made it into food, would it be potent at all after being baked at 325 for 30 minutes?
Yup. Lots of addicts "smoke" the pills by heating them on foil and inhaling the vapor
Once it burns off it’s not really effective though. This seems like smuggling that got caught up in humanitarian aid.
So then they would vaporize in the oven?
Press X to doubt this wasn't just someone trying to smuggle drugs in to sell through aid shipments.
But how could you possibly make money by smuggling almost anything into Gaza especially right now? What are you going to sell it for, a ration of pita bread?
Of ALL the painkillers the US has at their disposal, they chose precisely the ones that cause crippling addition and deathly withdrawals? And hid them inside flour to... Keep them dry?
Yeah, no.
“We have so far documented four testimonies from citizens who found these pills inside the flour bags,”
Best case - someone is smuggling oxy in to make a buck off of opioid addiction. But some think there might be oxy ground up in the flour so that Gazans gain a dependency, and might die from OD or withdrawal symptoms.
I personally don't think it is very likely that they are trying to poison Palestinians.
I find it completely unsurprising that someone is smuggling oxy in to make a quick buck.
In this thread alone I saw someone try to justify it by saying it's an important medical supply. Something like arsenic or cyanide might do a better job of killing people but then why would people start dropping like flies? Painkillers are a hot commodity around the world so it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was meant to be smuggled in and the wrong people discovered it. Given everything Israel has done so far it seems more likely they're trying to sew chaos rather than an enterprising dealer trying to tap a forgotten customer base.
If that's true that's fucking low
I didn’t see it reported elsewhere, but Middle East Eye has a good reputation for factual reporting.
I imagine that other news outlets don’t agree with the allegations of this being to poison people in Gaza. If someone was trying to poison the food, uncrushed oxy pills in flour is a pretty dumb and expensive way to do it.
People are sick and dying and are desperate for painkillers.
Also, smugglers have been trying to find ways around the blockades.
Medical supply / drug smuggling happens in every war. Addicts, and people who are dying and suffering from mangled limbs, want drugs.
I imagine that other news outlets don’t agree with the allegations of this being to poison people in Gaza.
Other news outlets aren't there, they rely on feeds from the AP/AFP/Reuters cabal and their subsidiaries. So if those three don't pick the story up it doesn't get reported.
You're assuming that the uncrushed ones were the intention and not that there is far more crushed up in the flour and the ones we see didn't get processed.
Opioids are also one of the more common tools of spreading addiction in order to manipulate the people for a reason, it's effective.
They didn’t say that there were actually narcotics ground up. That claim was an unsubstantiated “possibility”
possibility that some of these narcotic substances were deliberately ground or dissolved in the flour itself
People are jumping to conclusions without evidence, and are ignoring the fact that this is one of the few paths in for smugglers, and there is a massive demand for painkillers.
You are also jumping to conclusions. The only fact is that there was opioids in the flour.
Neither of us know why.
I can't help but believe that the absolutely oppressive and evil genocide regime has resorted to poisoning the populace through the tiny amount of aid they let through.
You choose to optimistically believe that this is the result of smugglers accessing those same few aid sites and using them to smuggle needed medicines.
Idk why you're so dismissive as if this would be beyond the scope of Israeli evil.
Agree. Unless you find the people who did it, you'll never know what the motivations are.
That said, we have a lot of reporting that has shown smugglers have been looking for creative ways into gaza, and we have a lot of reporting that shows Israel's blockade has turned hospitals into a hellscape without proper painkillers.
If your mom’s dying from cancer or if Netanyahu blew off your brother’s leg, and the hospital can’t get you medical grade opioid painkillers, are you just going to do nothing? Or are you going to try to work with a smuggler to help them out?
Israel has created a meat grinder and isn’t letting medicine in to hospitals. Desperate people are trying to do whatever they can.
You're implying that the drugs are snuggled in for altruistic reasons, rather than to unwittingly get lots of people hooked on an opioid
Occam's razor.
There is a tremendously strong need to get painkillers into Gaza. And smuggler’s drones have been getting shot down. Aid is one of the few channels in. I would expect that someone is going to try to leverage that.
There are also addicts that are trying to have stuff smuggled in. Prime example of this is something as simple as cigarettes. There are quite a few articles about Israel stopping and intercepting people smuggling in cigarettes.
But poisoning or getting random people hooked on opioids? It was loose pills, and a more expensive opiate. If this was a scheme to poison or hook people, it’s a complex and dumb one. If you know anything about opiates, you know there are far better and cheaper to hook or kill people if that’s your goal.
That makes sense, I think I misinterpreted the second paragraph.
Because of the packs of pills being found, they were worried about the flour being contaminated?
Yeah, they were worried about flour being contaminated, and they implied that US or Israeli actors may have also crushed up oxy into the flour. But they didn’t actually test the flour to see if someone actually did that. They just threw out a hypothetical on social media, and people piled on without evidence to back that up.
And they kind of ignored the fact that Israel has created desperate conditions that smugglers are capitalizing on, and there is a lot of reporting about the smuggling and medical shortages.
If the people don’t know that they’re eating painkillers, how would they even know to seek out more to relieve their withdrawal?
The idea is to create widespread addiction and societal breakdown.
Israel and their US backers are pure undiluted evil.
So like the 21st century version of smallpox blankets
It was in pill form. My money is on people smuggling meds for the sick and dying because they can’t get rationed meds from hospitals.
This wouldn’t be the first time desperate people resorted to smuggling meds during a brutal war.
If someone wanted to poison people, there are much cheaper and more effective ways to do that.
It’s a brutal war and medical supplies are being rationed, if they exist at all. When hospitals don’t have meds, or can’t give rationed meds to lower priority people who are suffering, those desperate people resort to smuggling.
I’m sure there are also addicts who can trade influence or high value items for oxy, but my money on this being for the sick and dying.
This always happens in war.
Stop calling it a war. It's a genocide, a planned massacre, pretty similar to what the Nazis were doing. For it to be a war, there would have to be two sides fighting which isn't the case.
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