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[–] 90 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

Sorry guys, i'm the one who wished computers would become popular back when i was an awkward preteen in the 90's. Oops.

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    AMD fucked up hard by discontinuing 5700/5800X3D

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Guess it was good I jumped on the 5700X3D when I was able to.

    Wonder what 3 series sells for... 3700X, etc.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Am I lucky or what. Built my first ever PC a few months ago before all this crap started. My only regret is going with 32gb ram instead of 64.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I really dodged the bullet by upgrading my aging 2600X with an 5950X and filling the memory banks to 64GB on my AM4 platform half a year ago, I really hope that the current price level entices a few new players to enter the market.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, RAM production is not something you start up on a whim. There are only a few players and adding new capacity is a very long process. They won't do that unless they're convinced that the market will still be there in a couple of years.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    From what I've read the additional capacity that's currently on the way will come 27-28, tho if the bubble keeps growing that won't be nearly enough. Further capacity will take even longer...
    I just hope that random economist whose name I don't remember is right and it is just the tp-hoarding-phase. When the panic buying stops and stock can recover somewhat, prices will go down to higher than before but more reasonable level.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I bought some RAM about 6 months ago. It costs me $299AUD for 64Gb, the same set from the same store is now $1,399. That’s an insane increase.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I should sell my machine for more than I paid, I don't mind dropping back to AM3+/DDR3 if it means I can spec a replacement later and make some extra money on top of it.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Makes sense, considering DDR4 has only gone up 2x.
    Though now I need to but the motherboard sooner than later, lest there be no good stock by the time I get to it.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago*

    And here I was thinking id just upgrade to one of these on my AM4 board... guess not.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    This is the kind of weird stuff that happens near the peak of a bubble.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    So glad I don’t have money for a new PC for some years anyways 😂

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Jokes on them I just ordered a used r 5 5600x for a $140 upgrade. My shits old as dirt. I was on a 1600x and a 1060 GPU.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    People a week ago: "you're all stupid, DDR4 is not impacted"

    Just wait. Scarcity loves company.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I love my AM4 5800X3D system. Paired with a 6900 XT (nice card) and 64 gigs of ram there is nothing it can't run for me. I have played with newer gen stuff and its all worse (ether bad linux support, stability, or the hardware cooks itself).

    I honestly wonder if this shift away from consumer facing products has something to do with the plateauing of hardware as much as chasing a quick buck. I would think that if AMD just restarted 5800X3D production people would be happy.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Ha, my system is exactly identical! I really have no reason to upgrade, besides maybe 5950X/5900XT for more cores for compiling software (I run Gentoo on it). Can't justify that though because it's more of a sidegrade, and they're all out of stock now that AM4 is back in style.

    My 6900XT is a slightly-cheaper-than-6950XT frankenstein with the 6950XT full chip but 6900XT clocked VRAM. It's so efficient. The fans don't even spin for some games. There's nothing it can't play at max settings, but I'm also rendering at 1600x1200 (or less for specific older titles) on a CRT.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I got ripped off years ago on a 1440p monitor from amazon that turned out to be 1080p, so at 1080p I doubt there is anything my nice card can not handle right now (and in the next few years at least).

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago*

    AM4 is the greatest CPU socket that has ever been created.

    The fact some shitty athlons were sold on it, but also something like a 5800X3D that has held up so well that some people are still willing to pay this much years later is astonishing to me.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    This is a weird post. 5800x3d might be "legacy" but other am4 chips are still being manufactured.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    built a dual athlon. think it was on a tyan mb. remember it needed ec, maybe ddr

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Now it's starting to make sense. Wanted to upgrade my old processor to something newer, but still AM4. Prices are stupidly high.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I orderes a new 5700x 2 days ago fearing they might vanish forever as there are probably only stocks left.

    I had one added for around 2 weeks in my amazon cart, but over here, in Spain, they went out of stock meanwhile, so I managed to order one from pccomponentes.com and I'm glad I did.

    I still get to keep my 32 Gb DDR4 for a couple more years, hopefully.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I guess my overheating 3800X is going to have to last a few more years...

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    [–] 40 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Welp, time to make a straw doll of Sam Altman and start sticking it with pins. This bubble is taking way too long to burst.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Re: bubbles... People were calling BTC a bubble and it needing to burst in 2013. 13 years ago.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    This is all propped up by growth though. The moment Microsoft mentions skipping a product cycle is when investors panic and rotate into staples or whatever, Nvidia cuts production targets, Micron suddenly has ICs for other things

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Micron just taking the money that they can, it's their progative. My point is that don't necessarily wait around hoping for a burst, even if things look super frothy and bubbly. This is also propped up by speculation, which Bitcoin was too.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    The valuation of these companies are based on absurd compounding growth but growth goes from darling to pariah the moment cash dries up, every time. Taper tantrums and Brexit era, it's sometimes the knee-jerk reaction, even. 2021, people were trading based on yields and unemployment data and bad numbers were making tech stocks rise in hopes of rate cuts. Securities is an entirely different beast than bitcoin because stocks have intrinsic value (and if you have faith in the forward earnings of a company that's intrinsic enough)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Specifically, it's propped up by the growth of wealth inequality. Money is going less to poor people who need it for food and rent, and more to rich people who gamble on speculative bubbles. As long as they can afford to pump more money in, the bubble can continue.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    While I get your sentiment, AI is different. They are making significant investments into hardware and real estate hoping to turn that into improvements of their models at significant cost. It is however only based on hopes and dreams that those will be realized. They are bleeding money for it and did not seem likely to reach break even ever.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I built my first PC a long time ago, with an AM4 board. I upgraded to 5800x3d a while back. Why do I feel like I'm going to keep using this same motherboard until I die?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I really wish they did another 5800X3D run (or even a 5800X3D XT). I missed the opportunity to buy it and the grey market prices are stupid.

    I have a pretty solid AM4 rig; 3080 GPU (which is enough for my needs), x2 32 GB 16 CL 3600 memory. Tons of storage for HDD, PCIe 4 and PCIe 3 for different use cases, a solid cooling system.

    I was planning to upgrade to AM5 next year, but I don't think it's happening. To be honest, the only way I am limited is the CPU.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I have a pretty similar setup but a Ryzen 9 5950X. The last thing I upgraded almost 2 years ago was the AIO and I never had any problems or limitations since then.

    Luckily the times of massive jumps in graphics and stuff are over.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    So glad I built my PC between the crypto craze and COVID. Feels like I won some sort of really fucked up gamble.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm still running 5700g's bought during the great GPU shortage. Now we're dealing with the great RAM shortage and won't be able to upgrade anytime soon. Life is pain lol.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    And here I am still with my hot old Piledriver....really missed the opportunity there

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    My son, who has a 5800x3d, complained last week about skyrocketing ram prices, just when he wanted to buy some extra ram. I told him that's mostly ddr5 ram and he needs ddr4 which is less affected. Apparently that's not true anymore.

    Edit: now he's considering if he just wants to sell it and go without gaming for a while.

    Turns out he only has the 5700x3d, although that's still worth more than he paid for that plus his GPU.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Edit: now he’s considering if he just wants to sell it and go without gaming for a while.

    IMO, not worth it unless the RAM is not in use.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What does ram use have to do with it? We're talking about the CPU.

    And as parent of a son in an exam year, I see a lot of value in him downgrading his PC.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I meant dealing with the hassle of downgrading and then upgrading the RAM. Might be easier to stick with what you have and not risk it with current shortages.

    For sure, I am taking in a general manner.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    You mean why everybody is suddenly flocking to DDR4 and AM4 CPUs? They might actually be new systems. If you need a new system, with the current prices you're pretty much screwed. I don't blame people for looking for creative solutions, but I'm really glad I buy my PCs a bit oversized so they will last me a long time. I can afford to ignore PC prices for a couple of years.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago

    Yeah, I would just not risk doing a downgrade at this point. Where I live prices are elevated in general (import duties, less common and/or expensive SKUs tend to pieced even bigger) and things are only going to get worse.

    With RAM specifically it can even be difficult to find certain high performance variants (this was back when DDR4 was being mass produced) at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's insane how the prices on all of the X3D have held up compared to pretty much every other CPU line (irrespective of vendor).

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Thats misleading, yes prices CAN go that much but looking at what prices acturally are going for (sorting on ebay by recently sold) it seems the price is around $400-$600. These prices are not good by any means but keep in mind when it comes to AM4 CPUs you have less expensive options that are more than good enough, the 5900XT for example goes for half the price.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I still have my 5600x going strong.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Wasn't it because AMD replaced it with 5700X3D with a longer production run?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    What are you gonna do with a 9800X3D without RAM? Upgrade the existing rig instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Got my 5800x3d in 22. Man I'm glad I built my system when I did. RIP PC gaming.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    I bought the AMD R5 1600 (no X) in 2017 and overclocked it, ran on that until last year when I bought the Ryzen R7 5800X (no 3D).
    This has been fine for me for gaming, I did spend a bit more on GPU, but still I'm doing fine on a modest budget for my PC IMO.
    I did throw in a new motherboard for the 5800X, because the newer chipset is supposed to be better for the GPU/CPU communication.

    But a 7 year life on the old R5 1600 is insane, and then being able to upgrade to a new CPU on the same motherboard is crazy, although I upgraded the motherboard anyway.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    From my perspective, a high end (at the time of purchase) desktop should still be usable in 10 years.

    In 2023 I was working on an old laptop from 2014 with 760M and an i7-4702MQ, it was not the best (although I added an SSD and upgraded to 16GB RAM), but it did OK and could play older games just fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Well I think that's stretching it, and my old R5 1600 did get a new GPU, but I also had a period where I had to use an older GPU because the original Radeon 5800 suddenly quit on me just before it reached 2 years. I got a full refund, because the GPU prices were insane at the time, and the Radeon 5800 cost more than twice what I gave originally even as a 2nd hand used card!
    I simply refused paying that much, and played retro games on a Radeon RX 560 for almost a year, a card I had bought dirt cheap for about €100 for a media machine.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    But a 7 year life on the old R5 1600 is insane

    I think that it depends a lot on what one is doing.

    So, a lot of games are bound on single-thread performance.

    I have a Ryzen 9 7950X3D in my desktop. That's the blingiest desktop AMD processor from 2023. That's a six-year difference between release of those two processors and moving from a midrange to a top-end processor.

    But despite all that.

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2984vs5234/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X3D

    It benches at less than twice the single-thread performance of the Ryzen 5 1600. It's faster. But it's not really transformatively faster. It used to be, in, say, up until the early 2000s, that you'd double serial computation performance every 18 months. A 6-year difference between processors, as between those two, used to mean that the newer one would run pretty much everything about sixteen times faster, even setting aside differences in the processor bin.

    Parallel processing has improved at a better clip, either via adding more cores to CPUs or the massively-parallel computation on GPUs. So if software can really utilize parallel computation effectively, then one might get larger gains over that period. And for some software


    and games are an area where some entrants can do that


    they can take advantage. But for a lot of software, hardware just isn't changing as quickly as it once did.

    And for games, it's very common that the way in which they can take advantage of more parallel compute is nice-to-have but not really essential ways, like bumping resolution up or adding some extra visual effects. It's not "the game becomes unplayable because the game logic can't keep up" or something like that, the way it typically would have been in the 1990s.

    There are definitely things that one can do where parallel compute makes a larger difference. If you're a computer programmer compiling software and your particular environment can do parallel builds, then you can often get a pretty linear performance increase in the number of cores. If you do 3D rendering or video rendering, you're probably bounded by the CPU, and software is often written to take advantage of parallelism there. But the vast majority of software is mostly-limited by serial compute. And serial compute performance just hasn't been increasing very quickly for quite some years.

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