Adorable
I think the google trend after the vote will be: "what does landlocked mean?"
Adorable
I think the google trend after the vote will be: "what does landlocked mean?"
What the fuck? The sounds like a horrible idea. Who there would vote yes for this and not expect risking to become as US territory for the oil?
About 30% of the province
Are you sure they're not secretly Canadian MAGA and want to be annexed by Trump?
I usually approve of genuine independence movements...but this doesn't look like one. This is another Donbas/Luhansk People's Republic situation, where the separatism is sponsored for future annexation by a bigger neighbour.
.... Does Alberta realize that doing business in a landlocked country can be difficult? Almost all their imports and exports will have to go through either Canada or the US.
I can guarantee you that I hope BC taxes the shit out of any oil that goes through our pipelines from Alberta to the coast
Alberta is First Nations land and they didnt consent. All this shit is going to do is polarize Alberta even more and cause unnecessary bloodshed
This fuck around and find out shit needs to stop.
Ever Dollar the price of a barrel of oil goes down blows a 750 million dollar hole into the Alberta budget.
We're looking as at sub-50 dollars a barrel in 2026
Fucking GO.
Just, you don't get the land: you get a plane ticket.
Stop acting like Yanks
If they want to become Americans so bad, they can always move South and apply for citizenship.
What they can't do, is take the land with them.
I was curious about how this will pan out, and found this:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/11/05/Has-Alberta-Separatism-Gone-Mainstream-Common-Ground/
About 30 per cent of Albertans support or somewhat support the idea of separation, while most do not. This figure fluctuates but hasn’t changed substantially since 2019.
The conclusion from our research is clear: the typical Albertan doesn’t want to separate but gets why others do. Supporting separatism isn’t mainstream, though being curious about it is. The bridge between those viewpoints is not a long one.
That is a terrifyingly high number if you ask me.
You can get a quarter of the population to vote for basically anything.
I think that guy you know might also be one of the folks who doesn't do the work to figure stuff out, unfortunately - we don't "vote for Premier", we vote for a local representative and the party that gets the most representatives installs their party leader as Premier. Just like how it's done with the Prime Minister.
Even if we did, his plan has taken a bit of a hit in the past year. A lot of Albertans have soured greatly on Gretzky given his chumminess with Trump, his statues have been repeatedly vandalized recently. "Maple MAGA" is actually not as popular here as seems to be commonly believed.
Thank god that first-past-the-post could give 39% or less full control of the provincial government.
I've posted about this before, but I've been out with coworkers for a beer before and had the exact conversation on the "rest of Canada not caring" point about O&G jobs in Alberta. I'm originally from Ontario so I could chime in on that perspective for them.
The conversation was mostly geared towards them thinking the Albertan economy is "floating" the rest of Canada. When I brought up the size of Toronto and Montreal and the industries just in those two cities they brushed it off. So I took a different tactic, I started asking them if they cared about manufacturing jobs in Quebec, or fishery jobs in the maritimes or automotive jobs in Ontario. Unsurprisingly they said they didn't know / care and that those jobs weren't as numerous / important as O&G.
I ended it with saying, people care about Alberta as much as you care about Ontario, Quebec, BC, the Maritimes which is essentially zilch. I'm not sure if I got through to them but one guy actually said "somehow this seems worse". I just said "really Alberta doesn't register in most Canadians radars unless negatively".
They also genuinely couldn't understand why folks out east or in BC don't want pipelines or further O&G investment in their provinces.
The number goes down below 10 when asked if they'd want to separate if the Conservatives had won the federal election. They're just angy at the libs. When push comes to shove they will vote it down.
Referendums and the specific topic is a bit different. But I think looking at Trump and America should make people very wary of what having 30% of the population as fanatics can do.
So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??
My friends in Alberta, are First Nations. And this was my first thought. We should send the people who want to be Americans, to America.
So, what about First Nations?
The separatists don't concern themselves with "minor details" like that.
I think the real reason the UCP leadership puts this kind of crazy stuff on the ballot is to make sure that 30% shows up to vote in force. If everyone else turns up to vote, or their base had a regular level of turnout, then they'd have no shot.
You think the people who signed the Forever Canadian petition are all people who want to leave Canada?
30% was all Dougie needed for a majority in Ontario...
Elections have electoral districts, which is how first-past-the-post really does its damage, through gerrymandering and gaming the system for just enough votes in each district. Does the same hold true for a referendum or is that a simple tally of all provincial votes (ie, electoral districts don't matter)
I'm kind of in favor of throwing every one of the traitors over the southern border by the seat of their useless pants.
As an Albertan, I would do the same - but charge them for the ride.
Please no. Those of us that aren't right wing shit stains are doing everything they can to reign in the MAGA bullshit here in the USA. We don't need more MAGA trash. How about putting them on a rocket to mars?
The problem is that people are stupid. Anyone who lives on top of oil is going to eventually feel like they’re uniquely entitled to said oil. Unless they’re on fire or oil prices drop…then they’ll temporarily turn into communists.
There is no independant state. The choice is be part of Canada or be part of the US, and I'm not sure what in Trump's record make people think he would treat Canadians any better than Russia treats Ukranians
Do it. And then when it gets, at most, 30% of the vote you'll have shot your wad and no one will give a shit about it for another generation. At least with Québec it'll be closer to 50%.
For le sakes du phoque
I'm sure the Albertans are aware how well this sort of thing turned out for the UK, right?
I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?
Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist, no, the referendum question has not been approved. The application has been approved. Now they have to collect the necessary signatures. What has collected the necessary signatures and been validated by Elections Alberta is the opposite motion, "Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?" By law, this has to go either to a vote in the Legislature (which is extremely unlikely) or a referendum within six months. Many people believe the UCP willl call an election rather than a referendum, as all referendum questions die when an election is called.
Yay brexit!
But without the diversified economy.. Or their own currency.. Or warm water ports.. Or any water ports..
All paid for by the USA
Which in turn is paid for by Russia
And we still allow it all to happen
It's pretty blatant a bunch of this is being funded by US fossil fuel giants to get access to the tar sands.
In order to be accessible to most Albertans, is the question just a crayon drawing of two cousins fucking on a horse with an arrow pointing away?
some thoughts:
.1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.
.2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.
.3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it's a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.
If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.
Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.
.5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.
.6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.
(If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)
I would love to see them go for it, it would be very funny.
I'm more worried that they'll be "aquired" by another nation, and suddenly BC is cut off from the rest of Canada and we have a new unsecured land border with far too much infrastructure.
I'd love to see the malcontents just leave. Nothing's stipping them from moving south like they all seem to want to.
It's not like they can just walk off with the land. Most of it is treaty land
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