When someone repeats an argument that has been proven false /badly argued many times before, but keeps repeating it in hopes of drowning out opposition or derailing a thread. Yet not disruptive enough to get banned on forums, as it wraps itself in non-hostile, nicely written sentences.

How exactly do moderators deal with this kind of behaviour?

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[–] 66 points 10 months ago (2 children)

it's called arguing in bad faith, or more specifically argument ad nauseum

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    In politics it's been called "flooding the zone"

    Could also qualify as "sandbagging" or simply "bad faith"

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    I think this is just a form of propaganda. If you really want a name then maybe Ad Nauseum.

    Tricky to moderate. You need to identify, and have objective evidence of, a pattern of behaviour from a user. It needs to be enough that an independent ambivalent third party would agree that the intent is propaganda. I think this is kinda impossible honestly.

    If its a small fiefdom community, just ban them.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Repeatedly using a blatantly false assertion is called the Big Lie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie). The derailing/zone flooding aspect, as @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world stated, is a Gish Gallop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop). There might be a term for using these together, but I am not aware of of what it might be.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Neither of these really apply?

    The big lie refers to a very big lie, but OP is talking about something subtle.

    A gish gallop refers to many lies, such that an opponent cant refute all of them, but OP is talking about one lie.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Gish galloping I think? If they're repeatedly asking you to prove the argument false that falls under sealioning too. It's also a very common tactic for some trolls to pretend to be civil in order to bypass suspicion.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I don't know what you're describing is called, but since the world is measured flat and I, for one, didn't evolve from monkeys, your point is moot. Respectfully.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I’ve always referred to it as cognitive dissonance.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Being a shithead. Master this "skill" and you can lead nations.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds like maybe a Gish gallop?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    This one I've always been wary of. I studied philosophy so I know a bit about arguments and sealioning is unusual because it can only really take place over the internet where someone is asking questions in bad faith and you can't 100% call them out because you don't know their identity for sure. Firstly I don't like the idea that questions can be bad faith - especially seemingly trivial or obvious ones - since that goes against the Socratic method of questioning all your beliefs/shibboleths. Secondly, it is so context dependent that I think it is hard to universalise it like you can do with other fallacies like false dilemma (everyone is either a tequila or a whisky person, etc.)

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