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[–] 49 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Just pirate. Do not inflate Epic Games' numbers. All corporations are evil, but I think we can all agree that Tim Sweeney is leagues above Gabe Newell in terms of being an utter piece of shit.

Want to support the developers? Guess what. They already got the money from Epic, so whether or not you claim the game doesn't make a difference. And even if it did, none of that would go towards the actual devs.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    JK Rowling has openly said that she also sees piracy as an endorsement of her fascist views. She looks at the download numbers and thinks to herself "trans women have finally lost"

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    the paid option:
    or just buy it on Steam with a discount,will supports both developers and Valve depending on the price.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The point is not to buy it because Rowling is a piece of shit. A penny in her pocket is too much.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately we've already lost. Even if she had no investments and had to live off her current billions she'd still be able to inject £100,000 of caviar and racehorse semen (oh sorry, printer ink is actually more valuable) into her veins every night and still be good for the next 30+ years. In one sense, whether she makes money off you or not changes nothing because she'll still be able to fund all the anti trans shit she wants with her current empire.

    Billionaires are a mistake of society and she's a garbage person but whether one person or 500,000 people buy Hogwarts is quite literally meaningless to her wealth because she already won capitalism.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    so one of the gals at lesbian board game night really enjoys the potterverse. there was no way she wasn't playing HogLeg. our group's solution was to buy one copy of the game but share it, and let our extended friends groups know so we could share the one copy between like 50 people.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    Free transphobic merch is still transphobic merch

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    I love how ‘it’s free’ became a whole genre of advertising.

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  • [–] 109 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (24 children)

    But hogwarts legacy is actually a really good game, the whole problem was that it might lead to jk rowling getting more money. Though they never did clarify if she got a cut or a flat fee that would have already been paid. Either way, this should nullify that, but the team that made the game did a great job, and made it more in-line with the spirit of the books instead of the author. Went specifically against her current wishes. The trans inclusion and positivity was pretty well done. Even if it was put in to spite her, they didn't draw attention to it, it just is there, and no one bats an eye.

    Edit: I should mention that I played it in VR, I can't speak to what the game is like without VR. But I really enjoyed it. UEVR with a motion controls mod, there is also a voice casting mod, but I didn't personally go that route.

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  • [–] 68 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Even if she doesn't get a direct payment per copy sold, which I'm not sure I believe considering you know her negotiating power, there are still benefits for her. Increasing the brand increases future payments. Increases her bargaining power later on. And I'm sure allows her more creative control which means that any trans inclusion would probably be nullified in future projects.

    Maybe it's a good game, but at a certain point you got to nut up or shut up. Are you going to take a stand and boycott something or not? Yeah you miss out on things with your boycott, that's the point. If you're not willing to sacrifice at all, and we're talking a very minimal sacrifice here aren't we, then what are you even doing?

    Though why we are even talking about paying for it I don't quite understand. There's always other ways.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago*

    You are certainly allowed to boycott it for the principle, that's perfectly fine. But calling the game shit (Screenshot) just because it's from harry potter and attacking the devs and it's players was not warranted at all. I am obviously not implying you or OP did but many people did that and called it a boycott, that's what I didn't like. And a disclaimer, I am also not a harry potter fan, never tried the game myself and absolutely hate the author. Just felt bad for the game devs.

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    I have to disagree, it wasn't a particularly good game. Everything felt off. I was days into the game and it felt like I was still doing tutorial missions. Basic mechanics weren't unlocked until 3 quarters through the game. And I can't imagine it has much replayability at all beyond trying to hunt down every trinket. 

    It never granted you the feeling of being a wizard or whatever made Harry Potter special, it made Wizards feel ridiculous. 90% of the game is spamming a generic unnamed "attack" spell 

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    I was days into the game and it felt like I was still doing tutorial missions. Basic mechanics weren't unlocked until 3 quarters through the game

    Oh wow. That's fucking heinous. Even if there was nothing else objectionable about the game, that's a definite dealbreaker.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You basically hop on your broom, fly directly to the thing you need, hop off, spam three buttons and kill everyone one by one, then get back on the broom and return. Repeat.

    I thought it was interesting to fly around and see how they built the world but that isn't fun for long.

    The whole thing sort of doesnt make sense, but then again harry potter doesnt make sense as a book series so maybe they nailed it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If only they actually made flying feel good. It's impressive how boring it feels to fly in the game. I'm assuming that's why Quiditch wasn't included.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Leaving out quidditch was a huge mistake in my opinion. I don't usually read about games ahead of time, so to find out quidditch wasn't included some hours into the game was really deflating for me. Thats really the one place they could have taken a huge swing at something interesting and they just decided not to swing at all.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Ah yes, unlocking skills over time in games is heinous now.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    There's skills and then there's basic game mechanics.

    Assassin's Creed Valhalla didn't introduce the series signature Leap of Faith until early in the second act, which understandably pissed off longtime fans who had been using it as a fundamental part of playing from during or just after the tutorial in previous AC games going back DECADES.

    Now imagine a similarly crucial gameplay mechanic in Harry Potter (let's say a spell that demeans a marginalized group more thoroughly than you can otherwise do), but it isn't introduced until well into the THIRD act.

    THAT'S heinous game design.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Idk I haven't played the game, you're clearly not coming from any objective standpoint though nor do you seem to have any idea what the actual skill unlocks would be.

    It's just an extremely silly thing to call heinous when there's actual heinous things happening in our world all the time.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Ah, I should probably mention that I played it in VR with motion controls, so combat was alot more fun than what the flat version of the game probably did. And just riding a broom or looking around at the really detailed environments(those that were) was worth it being very videogamey otherwise.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's an insanely boring game with no depth. To each their own, but calling it a "really good game" is as much of a stretch as calling it "shit". To me it felt like a Hogwarts walking simulator with a bunch of basic unrelated minigames stuck onto it, marketed as an open world action rpg. The combat was insulting.

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  • [+] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, my sister was pretty reluctant at first, she is ACE and wanted to support the boycott, but then when the game was basically a slap in the face to rowling, and rowling was trying to tank the game by tweeting that buying the game still supported her anyway, we took that as meaning that she actually wasn't making residuals on it or she would have just shut her mouth and raked in the money like normal.

    I played the game in VR myself, but my sister played it flat screen. We both enjoyed the game. It is definitely very "videogamey" but, been playing videogames for over 30 years, so that is nothing new. The parts that were new to us were worth the parts that weren't.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I don't agree. It's not a good game. The only reason people may think it's good is because it's Harry Potter stuff. It's yet another boring open world game about wasting your time.

    It was alright at the beginning in Hogwarts, but the open world segments, which are most of the game, suck. I think the biggest most glaring thing that shows they're just copying other formulas to waste your time is the lockpicking. They have a spell to open locks, but for some reason it has a lockpicking mini game you have to complete? Not only that, but the person who teaches the spell is the groundskeeper?

    There's bones of an interesting game there, but they decided to make it yet another bland open world game that's mostly empty. The entire point of 90% of the game is to just extend how long you're playing it, which is bad design. They should create content you want to play, not boring crap they need to try to trick you into playing by making the game worse until you do it.

    It's probably a fine game for console players who only ever play boring AAA slop like Ubisoft games. They've accepted this garbage as normal. For me though, I resented my time with it. I'm a fairly big Harry Potter fan (as much as I hate to admit) but I hated my time wasted on the game.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It is a good game but I despise that they axed mod support to advertise crappy mods downloadable in game. This could've been the next Skyrim if they embraced it. Very disappointing.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Don't give Epic your time or money. Putting aside Fortnite and their pro-AI stance, they forsake the Unreal Tournament series. That's just unforgivable.

    As for Hogwart's Legacy, the game is decent and even fun at first but gets repetitive quick. Bully from 2006 is a similar game minus the magic and lucrative IP attached. A shame it didn't get a sequel.

    And as for J. K. Rowling, forgive me but she's a cunt. I wasn't huge on Harry Potter when growing up so I don't have any nostalgia about the series - be it the books or movies- but I know many of you do. I also know that many of you are LGBTQ+ so how you decided to reconcile with the series is up to you. While you can separate Rowling from your affection to the series, don't give her any more your time, money or attention.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Plus Bully did it so much better with social interactions with staff and students, having a schedule and generally feeling like a school. HL came nowhere even close to that to the point where I wondered if the devs even tried to make it like Bully and we all just assumed they did because what other game makes school life the focus and does it even half as well? I don't even think there is an indie game that tries it.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Be careful if you download this game your computer will blow up if you make your character trans by swapping them for witch or wizard

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Joke is, I might actually grab it for free. So long as Rowling isn't profiting from it, I don't actively hate HP (despite its bad worldbuilding and unsubtle racism 😬). Especially that iirc there were a few small things in the game kinda flipping off Rowling, so the devs working on it probably didn't like her either.

    I'm trans, and HP was a big part of my childhood, then Rowling got brain-mould and somewhat ruined it retroactively (tbh even before her current TERF saga she kept tweeting bollocks, like that whole "wizards used to shit in the corner and magic it away" thing 🤢)

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    She absolutely is profiting from it.

    When a game is "free" the publisher isn't just donating it for funzies. Either Epic pays them (Epic is spending money to get people to its platform) or the publisher is using the game to advertise other games, which has value to them.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Epic pays the publisher a flat fee for permission to distribute the game for free for the week.

    Your individual download doesn't give Rowling any less or more, but shows support for her IP, and tells epic they made a good decision to support her.

    I've heard great things about the game, but for me the download does support Rowling, so it's a hard pass.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Its an okay game, its built in the same skin as dragon age inquisition. The story is okay, it feels dated though. I liked exploring and collecting stuff but they make you wait until half way through the story to be able to open certain doors, so you have to go back later.

    I never finished it, it felt very repetitive after a short while. The combat is super boring.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    if you’re gonna play it, just remember that your teacher dies at the end and can’t be saved, and that rockwood is the one that cursed anne

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    Reminder that

    • Epic Games, unlike Steam, is subsidizing sales. So instead your own money, it's some Chinese oligarch's money, that will go into Joanne Karen Rowling's TERF war chest, who're betting on Epic instead of Steam.
    • Joanne is also anti-porn, and Collective Shout are TERFs, so there's a good chance that the TERF war chest also funds the war on porn, and by extension, war on human self-expression.
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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    More likes here! Surely feddy way connect platforms?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    The worst thing about the antisemitic, transphobic wizard game: it's extremely mid.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't that the game where you can be a douchebag in every single dialogue option and people still end up being your friend with NO change in story whatsoever?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    pottercel losers comment below so i can expand my blocklist

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Around one week ago the game was on sale on Steam for %85, if any of your friends have bought it during that time ask them to refund :)

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    oh nice. I love HL. will let some friends know they can grab it for free.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Was very mid, felt like a ubisoft game.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Man you ain’t lying. Fun game but you’re right it was pretty mid. I will say the opening “tutorial” was very cool

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    It was fun in the beginning, running around Hogwarts is cool, Hogsmead looks very pretty. But the rest of the world is just boring and I suppose the story is enough for a game but nowhere near the books. I finished it once, had a lot of fun, tried to play through a second time and made it halfway through before giving up.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    After I got my broom it took literally all wonder and playability out of the game for me. So I got maybe 10-15 hours out of it. Thankfully I didn't pay for it, it's in my family library on steam.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    I don't get it. It's actually a fun game.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think the Map of the castle is absolutely exceptional and there's a lot of attention to detail.

    The main storyline is enjoyable enough, although I wish there was more of a push-back if you choose to use the unforgivable curses. They're meant to be unforgivable and yet you pretty much get a "oh I wish you wouldn't do that" when you straight up torture an enemy in front of an NPC.

    The main letdown for me is that outside of the castle, a lot of the game feels somewhat empty. It's not like Skyrim where you go out into the world and you're always finding little things spread out everywhere that piques your interest. It feels like there's not much reason to venture out from the castle or Hogsmeade unless a mission explicitly tells you to.

    Overall though I do think it's decent.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I totally agree with you. The main story was kinda meh for me though. I felt like the quests with Sebastian should be the main story tbh.

    Like I said, it was a fun game. I don't think it was a very good game. However, when you put it the history of this studio into contrast, this game is a big achievement. It was fine as a first game from them, let's hope the next one will be better.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It's pretty middling tbh. I played it last year when it was on PSPlus. Certainly couldn't see a reason for all the hype it got on launch. I assume HP fans are just starved of new content.

    The gameplay is OK, but there's a lot of dicking about swapping spells, it's too damn long, and honestly not worth your time for a full playthrough. It's a very standard open world, go to the map icons, do the minigames affair. If you've played games in the last ten years, you'll know exactly what to expect. They've made a game for kids that will be played mostly by people who are now adults.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (22 children)

    I've never understood the hate for Epic Games Store. Without Epic cross platform gaming would have never happened on consoles.

    Yeah dude is a twat and has some shitty opinions but the same people who bitch about him will whine and moan about Gabe Newell having yachts.

    I really just don't understand it.

    If you don't want anyone to make money from games then that leaves no money left to develop games.

    In fact, epic charges less than half of the listing fee for devs and publishers than any other service that lists games. (They lose money doing this, but they still do it).

    Just really odd behavior in my opinion. People find anything to divide themselves over.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    The store behaves like malware, with stuff running as root in the background all the time mining your personal information, and constantly keeps re-enabling ad popups even when I disable them. At least the uninstaller works.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    I run it through Heroic and it doesn't have root access at all. In fact my entire gaming profile doesn't have root access to the rest of the machine which is recommended for anything gaming related even steam.

    If you're talking about on Windows then you're already running Malware in the form of Windows OS, to be honest. But since you said root I'm assuming you mean on Linux.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Sure, but you realize how niche that is right? Like Heroic is literally less than .1% of Epic users.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That sounds like a failing on Epic users to me. I ran Heroic on windows before I made the switch to linux. The fact that Epic gives shit away for free without even requiring their launcher is pretty insane if you think about it. A lot of the games can run DRM-free from Epic as well (the original Horizon: Zero Dawn for example).

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yea, Tim Sweeney is from the old school tech cadre that believes that taking a business loss to keep the ultra-nerds happy can buy more public/community goodwill than traditional advertising.

    He’s also from old school tech in that he’s an unapologetic asshole who thinks he’s god’s gift to earth.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Steam also provides a lot more than just a store front for devs at that price, including customer support, multiplayer servers, anticheat, and forums and other social features.

    Epic also launched their store without a shopping cart (you had to buy everything as individual transactions) and put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event, amongst other things. Like buying multiplatform games to ensure that they only launched on the Epic store. Nobody liked it when Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, or Rockstar tried that exclusivity crap with their own launchers/storefronts, and they don't like that Epic does it either.

    Dude is a twat and his opinions unfortunately drive Epic's policies. People hated Steam when it first launched as well, but Valve as a company has consistently worked to put customer value and rights as a selling point of their products, and people appreciate them for that. Beyond Steam as a sales platform, they've been a driving force in other parts of the industry such as VR and Linux gaming.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event

    Holy shit I did not know that that definitely deserves some serious hate in that case.

    The exclusivity stuff I get the hate for a little but PS and Xbox and Nintendo did the same thing for a couple decades but it still doesn't make it right that they did either. But I do get it a bit.

    I do prefer Steam and love what they do for Linux the steam deck is one of my favorite toys. But if I see something for cheaper on Epic than on steam I'll always go for the cheaper option but some people act like epic doesn't even exist as an option which I get a little more now after seeing some of these things you mentioned the forcing devs games into sales without permission is super fucked up.

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  • When it comes to Epic, a quote from the great Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of many beloved Nintendo icons, comes to mind: "A delayed game is eventually good. A rushed game is bad forever." First impressions are incredibly important and trust is a hell of a lot harder to gain than to lose, and Epic not only made a bad first impression but they also kept doing things that people generally disliked.

    IIRC, the sale on unreleased games was only some big AAA titles, but not only was it scummy, it also was clearly a part of a larger strategy that Epic was using to try to force people to use their store rather than actively compete with Steam. They had nowhere near the number of features Steam has, the store was difficult and frustrating to use, and the launcher was performance hungry as well as acting similar to malware - it checks through your internet browser's history for one thing (or used to, I haven't touched it since it launched).

    People disliked exclusives even when they were relegated only to consoles, and the lack of exclusivity was a selling point of PC gaming for a long time (until every publisher under the sun tried to wall off their titles behind their own launchers and stores, and people hated that as well). But the big sin Epic made was when they bought out devs who had plans to release on Steam and demanded that they pull their games off of Steam - sometimes for a period of a year, sometimes permanently. These were games that people had paid for, either through preorders or as backers for Kickstarter funding or something.

    And then you get into some of the more...beliefs and values side of the system. Where Valve has made a stand against NFT and AI games to general applause, Epic has embraced them and the store has filled with all the things that gamers expected to see as a result of those: asset flips and scams. They're already an issue on Steam, but keeping NFTs and AI off the platform has mitigated some of it by eliminating some of the tools that make it even easier to make them than it ever was before. I believe they also got in some hot water with devs around the same time that Unity did for some policy change that negatively affected people using Unreal as their game engine (that they later backed down on).

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's because epic store launched with "exclusive access" being a "perk" to attract users. I fucking hate that shit in the TV/Movie space so I decided to not support it.

    Also, using that as an opening move suggested that they'd enshitify as soon as they have the market power to do so.

    Plus their anti-linux stance. Not just not supporting the shift to linux but specifically against it by removing support that was previously there. And they killed off the UT franchise to be sure it wouldn't compete with Fortnite.

    Even the reduced commission rate just seems like a play to build market share to be abused.

    Meanwhile, the biggest negative I've seen from valve is cosmetic lootboxes that you can ignore by not playing their games or not buying lootboxes if you do.

    It supporting Gaben into billionairehood isn't great but he's one of the few that makes things better by still being around (because who knows if the next one(s) in control will sell out or not). Plus, with him already being a billionaire, MS can't change his course by throwing money at him.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Plus their anti-linux stance. Not just not supporting the shift to linux but specifically against it by removing support that was previously there

    unreal engine is on linux and has been for a while AFAIK.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Last I checked while it was available it's normally tightly integrated with the Epic Games Store (for things like assets I think?) And that's not on Linux so I have no clue how it works.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Gamers are extremely toxic nowadays. it used to be less public. now they just rage at everything constantly. and in certain circles, its expected behavior.

    lemmy gamers tend to be extremely anti-Epic Games even though there's some really good deals on there.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah dude is a twat and has some shitty opinions but the same people who bitch about him will whine and moan about Gabe Newell having yachts.

    they are being fair and consistent.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Odd then that most of them that hate on epic still recommend to use Steam instead.

    Some say GOG, which is also owned by millionaires.

    I'm failing to see the consistency.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You like gaming on linux through Proton layer?

    Thank Valve for funding its development.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes and I have said the same thing in other comments before.

    What about my comments made you think I don't like or support steam?

    I said that people complain about the epic games guy but also whine and moan about Gabe having yachts. Then you said they are being consistent and I said well when they recommend to use other millionaire/billionaires platforms that is not being consistent that is hating on a specific platform for the same things other platforms do (have rich people run them)

    I'm confused about what you are defending or against here.

    You can see in my comment history I have said the same thing you just said before to people anti steam. I love steam, and what it does for Linux.

    But that doesn't mean I'm against epic either.

    Do you like cross platform gaming? Thank epic.

    Hating on one but defending the other is exactly what I said doesn't make any sense. Every successful gaming company is going to have millionaires. So when I said, people hate on epic but then complain that Gabe has yachts but still tell people to use steam over epic that doesn't make any sense and is the opposite of consistent.

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