And then he misrepresented what I said after banning me:

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I was the asshole.

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[+] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    edit: hijacking a comment near the top to say that the PTB here has stepped down as mod after their co-mods called them out in response to DMs from multiple different users complaining about the PTB's actions. Huge thank you to the other mods.

    I just want to point out the comment I made that's visible in the part of the thread you linked there. I got banned for that comment, before I could reply with the evidence (of comments that I had reported, and which are still standing) that prove Wren is a liar when they claim not to have insulted anyone:

    And that's before you get into the fact that they started the whole argument. With some exceptionally bad-faith idiotic whataboutism. Whether OP deserves it or not, that mod is clearly abusing their powers by provoking a reaction and then jumping on the provocation as an excuse to ban dissenting views.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Because you didn’t like my response to your comment, you reported everything I said in the thread

    Nope. I reported a bunch of your comments that were at least as bad as, if not worse than, those that got Nay banned. I reported comments that deserved to be removed by mods because they broke the same rule that someone else got banned for.

    And then I made my publicly visible reply to your comment. And then you replied and banned me before I had any chance to respond to your lies.

    But try again. "No need to lie." Projecting much?

    edit: to be clear: even if you don't agree that your comments shouldn't have been removed (which really shouldn't be your call to make: any mod with integrity will recuse themselves from moderating an argument that they are a part of and let another mod handle it, and that goes doubly when it comes to their own non-mod-related comments being reported), they were made in good faith because I sincerely believed they broke the rules. If you think someone deserves to be banned because they disagree with your moderation philosophy, I'm not sure you're fit to be a mod.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because you reported all of them at the time of your ban

    No. I reported maybe 5 or 6. I posted a few of them in my initial comment in this thread for context. You had made at least double that in terms of total comments. I reported the ones that were obviously breaking the rules, in my view.

    if in your opinion, any mod should recuse themselves from arguments

    No. You can have arguments. But you should not then take moderation action against the people you are arguing with. You should recuse yourself and allow your co-mods to deal with it. I was a mod of much more active subreddits than any Lemmy community for years before I quit Reddit, and in my opinion it's a pretty basic rule to follow to ensure you do not get into exactly the situation you now face.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What's ridiculous is that you baited a user with your incredibly poor behaviour and then banned them for reacting it your bait, and expect people not to call you out for it.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This isn’t about you. Stop trying to make it so

    You didn't bait me. I wasn't making this about me. But since you apparently are (because how else could this entire comment be interpreted), I'll reiterate: you abused your mod powers by banning me in retaliation for me using the normal process of reporting rule-breaking content just because you don't like having it pointed out that you broke your own rules.

    The bait was at Nay. Nearly every one of your comments in that thread before I ever got involved was baiting them. From the very first:

    No, but It beats communism any day of the week.

    I don't know how that can be seen as anything other than bait, considering the context of the post was criticising the problems with capitalism. It's whataboutism at its finest. You follow that up with:

    And how many years do you personally have living under a different socioeconomic system?

    Which, again, is bait. Not only is it not relevant (again, we don't have to praise everything about communism to point out the ways capitalism is bad), it's also extremely patronising. By the way, my answer is either 6 or 0, depending on what you count. With that experience, I can tell you that "Actually Existing Socialism", as the tankies like to call it, fucking sucks. The censorship (not unlike that you yourself seem to be a fan of, through your actions) is extremely stifling, the rampant corruption is much worse than we see in developed western nations

    Then, when given an answer, you extremely rudely respond:

    Did I ask you?

    This is asking someone to be rude to you back. They even tried to play nice in the follow-up, giving you an actual answer to the question. To which you again responded

    did I ask you?

    And you have the fucking gall to ban them for calling you "sweetie" after that? Oh, wait, no. You pat yourself on the back for just "warning" them over this. The nerve!

    You do not get to pretend you had the high ground here. Not in the slightest.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can respect that. Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.

    Help me with the initialisms, though?

    YDI: You deserved It? What's YDM?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Looks like someone is ignorant of the difference between "stupid" and "ignorant."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ignorant is insulting other users in a community that explicitly forbids it.

    Stupid is failing to take the hint, doubling down and earning a temp ban, and then going after the mod in PMs.

    Let me ask you a question... You've seen sports, right? I mean, maybe not as a fan or anything, but you've seen basketball, football, baseball, games, right? Even a tennis match?

    You ever, once, see someone yell and scream at a ref and have the ref go "You know, you make a salient point, I changed my mind."? No. You know why? Because then EVERYONE will do it.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    You are the one who started off the stupid argument in a pointlessly combative way, based on trite caricatures of complex and controversial topics, then used your mod powers to delete the responses of the guy you picked a fight with for no better reason than that they said something "unhelpful." It's not what I would call ideal behaviour for a community moderator.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If your point is strong, why do you continue to distort the interaction?

    Ignorant does not mean stupid or asshole. You said "we both know what you meant" when you clearly didn't. Your feelings were hurt due to what seems to be insecurity, and you took a derogatory read of it.

    And you still can't answer the question at the heart of it all.

    I called you out and you power tripped and then tried to act hard in DMs.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    Ffs dude, I don't want an argument. I want my actions to be truthfully represented.

    If you really feel justified why are you misrepresenting the situation? It's all on record anyway.

    You -feel- like I called you stupid and asshole, and you used your modding privileges accordingly.

    If I'm being ignorant, I prefer to have it called out so I can learn.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Kinda corny demanding that someone "explain the difference between Capital/Social/Communism and Authoritarianism". Not even a coherent demand. I wouldn't ban over it though.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Wren is a sockpuppet that was given mod authority something like 24-48 hours after account creation.

    They are deeply deeply toxic.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I'm not entirely sure, but I was incredibly suspicious of this account getting modded almost immediately upon creation. My suspicion was squid, but I no longer believe that.

    And maybe a sockpuppet isn't the right term. Maybe smurph or alt. Regardless, it's an account that you should be deeply, deeply suspicious of.

    Political memes as a sub was captured as an echo chamber by Wren and Squid. You shouldn't post there.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I mean we can all see how you use this. You flame and troll and then ban.

    What's your main?

    Actually don't tell me your main. I'm close enough to having something solved I'll use you as a back test.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Like I said, deeply deeply toxic, and someone who posts almost exclusively to echo chambers of their own creation. Some one who should be no where near any form of power whatsoever.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Why wouldn't I call someone as deeply toxic as yourself toxic?

    You are toxic. And you've created echo chambers out of a public forum to support your own toxic biases, and you done real work to toxify this community.

    Not only should we be discussing this, we should be shouting it from the rooftops and singling you out constantly. We should be shaming you to the point where you leave, because your kind of toxicity isn't acceptable.

    Also it's far more than suspicion at this point, since you've effectively elevated it from suspicion to fact.

    You shouldn't be a mod. You should be removed from any positions of power across this board.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Then suddenly, I’m toxic. lol.

    Bruh. Come on. I've been calling you toxic since you made this alt of yours. You know that. I was calling you toxic within 24 hours if your account creation.

    You are sculpting these subs into echo chambers and we all see it. It's the same shit squid was doing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Two things:

    One, you are doing the thing I'm accusing you imof in the very context of the ban this post is about. So I don't need to go far for evidence.

    Two, I can't do what you are asking for without knowing your main. So pony up. Or actually don't because I'm very close to having a general solution for this and I think it would be really cool to get it right. Ok gandalf. Keep your secrets.

    Three, you just keep demonstrating that you belong no where near power.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm very close to having a general solution for this

    please share if it works there are several accounts pretending to be me and id love to discover whos behind this im thinking probably russia or possibly even the chinese

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bookmarked and intended for public release, but it's not where it needs to be yet. I'll link you when I've got something more complete.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Mod accounts are typically created specifically to be mods. I did the same thing. They asked me to be a mod from my lemmy.one account and I thought it was weird to be modding lemmy.world from lemmy.one so I spun up this account and it was made a mod.

    Same thing happened with another mod (who has now been de-modded). That was a legit case of PTB where they started making unilateral changes to the community without consulting the other mods.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    There has been a tankie desant on Memes recently, may be part of the purge? Two of them praising Stalin gave me some feed for !opisafuckingidiot@lemmy.world

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