Most of the world is capitalist, and most of the world is poor.
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People might think that the extremity is a good thing as it will force change, which may be true, but realistically the world will be in for an extended period of conflict/war/suffering first and that period will probably last the rest of our lives.
Boomers hit that sweet spot. Now they get to check out as things are about to get real bad. Not that boomers everywhere in the world had it good. But a lot of them did.
Boomers hit that sweet spot.
American boomers, maybe. The 60s/70s was real shit for most of the Third World.
Much of our modern Economic Anxiety driving MAGA and the reactionary insanity of our foreign policy is these same Boomers being forced to live in a world that isn't just the car dealerships in Detroit commanding the global economy.
For the 90s Kids, life outside the US hasn't been this good in a century or more. Whether you're in Bogota, Berlin, Beijing, or Bankok, it's a time of unprecedented plenty.
The fact that America isn't this shining city on a hill anymore is what Trumpsters find so galling.
For the 90s Kids, life outside the US hasn’t been this good in a century or more. Whether you’re in Bogota, Berlin, Beijing, or Bankok, it’s a time of unprecedented plenty.
In some places, like south america, things have not been that great since the start of a wave of right wing governments rising, unfortunately...
I see what you mean, in terms of democracy being a problem capitalism is trying to solve and, also, that the rich and powerful will never allow us to simply vote away their ill-gotten wealth and power.
I don't think that doesn't mean we shouldn't try though or just lament that we were born too late though.
If enough people wanted to, we could change things very quickly. I don't see why that would mean we would have to have those all of those things, let alone for an extended period. Really, you're rationalising a status quo bias.
60,000 is way to many. They need to be able to fit on a giga yacht.
The fact is money is relative. $100k USD is a lot of money in New Guinea and is not going to buy as much in London. This is why it is perfectly acceptable for someone like Thiel to assemble a private army with his wealth while people starve because they haven’t worked the grind correctly like Musk, Thiel or the Mountbatten-Windsors have /s.
It's gone from can't everyone just pay your fair share of taxes?
To can't we at least tax the rich?
How about just the 1%?
Ok..., how about just the 0.001%?
And then somehow conservatives leaders will convince a voter base to take to the streets with pitchforks and torches, claiming it's tyranny, then once they're elected, the leaders will still tax the fucking voter base.
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
Remind me again how capitalism isn't the problem? lmao
Do you think in feudal times things were better?
I started to feel that’s a mathematical issue, not an economic issue. Since the internet is a thing, a person’s influence and wealth can increase exponentially(benefiting from the networking effect aka power law), while the best tax law can do is still linear.
We need a tax law that grows exponentially. After certain points, it should collect almost 100% of the “controllable assets” (assets you can control, not necessarily owed).
But of course, we will never get it. People who have the will to climb the ladder tend to have less empathy for the masses, and they need to pay back to their stakeholders to help them get on top. It’s another paradox we need to deal with.
TBH the only thing that can fix humanity is extraterrestrial life lol.
I would call it systemic, in fact I'd argue it's the central flaw of capitalism (but one that imo can be mostly fixed with heavy regulation and taxes scaling to near 100% as you say).
When wealth = power, those with wealth will always attract even more wealth.
TBH the only thing that can fix humanity is extraterrestrial life lol.
It's an overused statement by now but it seems worth repeating: many people find it easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
a tax law that grows exponentially
We've had this before, and can again. Look up FDR-era marginal rates.
Those puny little ants outnumber us 100 to 1. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life!
I feel like numbers at this point just are pointless. It's like, can we use vocabulary that actually describes the situation instead of updating this every time the decimal point shifts?
Describing it in terms of wealth is kind of dumb. It gives the idea that the systems that caused this (Imperialism, colonialism, capitalism) are the solution. Like, the global South just needs "investment". The numbers are this bad because of a century of western "investment" in its exploitation the global South.
There isn't a number attached to this that somehow fixes the problem when we reach it. This is about what essentially amounts to slavery and subjugation of the majority of this planet. The language of these news articles is so passive. Like it's describing the amount of stars in the galaxy.
Does that mean, in a theoretical world where wealth is by all means easily distributed, you’ve got a mere 0.001% that could triple the per-individual wealth of half of the worlds population—if we just took theirs and passed it out?
I’ve heard philosophers say, it’s a figure of authority’s continuous responsibility to justify its existence. Given, wealth is influence and influence is authority, should we not audit cases where wealth is so concentrated and ask ourselves question like ”how is this contributing to the benefit of all?”
I’d.argue, we shouldn’t allow such concentration of wealth in the first place—meaning there should be a preventative plan that Just Works. This can be compatible with whatever else you want, free markets or not. Be it a stronger progressive tax or a cultural change toward worker collectives owning the means to production, there just shouldn’t be such wealthy entities.
The concentration on wealth leads to concentration of influence, meaning politics and media. We’ve had a shrinking number of independent major news organizations since the 1980s. A 1983 analysis showed that about 50 companies “controlled more than half” of U.S. media. Today, there are estimates of a handful of people owning the vast majority. Not to mention, they can apparently choose to purchase massive Social Media platforms (like Twitter) immediately before an election.
Right now, though, we have this problem where such silos already exist. They use their influence, vast as it is, to protect and enrich themselves—PACs, Super PACs, gratuities, lobbying firms, and more recently meme coins. All acting as a conduit to influence politics and legislation. We can’t make progress while these issues continue to stand in our way, can we? So, what do you do?
Put a maximum net worth. Every dollar over it equals one punch to the kidneys.
according to a report that argues global inequality has reached such extremes that ugrgent action ha.cms become essential.
I guarantee you that that 0.001% agrees, there are too many of them, that should be 0.00001% instead
Fuck the rich!
I call for hard limits on personal networth and the worth of companies
No single person should be able to control more than 10M, companies shouldn't be worth over 1 billion
Anything over that, goes to taxes.
It's a single basic rule that requires more rules below for sure to ensure it works well, but this should be codified in a world wide constitution.
This way, nobody gets crazy amounts of money, nobody will have to be poor because the government will have a huge income that it can use for universal healthcare, education, universal basic income, etc...
Crime would go down the drain because nobody NEEDS to be a criminal anymore. There will still be a few anti social elements but good luck finding people wanting that life if they can just have a good, safe, and happy life.
Bribery and corruption? How even, and why take the risk?
There is no logical reason why anyone should have to be allowed to control this much wealth.
Investment companies must all be dismantled and all their funds transferred to independent non profit organisations that, again, won't be able to control more than over a billion. Government can transfer money to these foundations so that loads of people can have investments for startups or whatnot
We'd need similar simple rules for governments too. All governments must be democracies, and all should follow a world constitution where we have a few basic rules that make sure nobody will ever get too much power.
It doesn't require a lot of changes at the top. Basically these three rules, all the rest flows out of those rules. We can keep capitalism and use it's raw power to generate resources for everyone.
What this needs is political will, this needs people to want this, need this.
It doesn't require a lot of changes
All governments must be democracies
I didn’t know World War Three was the simplest way to world peace
No single person should be able to control more than 10M
A small family farm earning less than 350k a year could easily need that in land, capital, etc. just to operate.
But I hear you, somewhere between 10 and 50M would be ideal.
That's 80'000 people vs. how much?
Nifty. Each person in that top 0.001% has the combined wealth of 68,333 people just to themselves. That's a whole ass city.
One of these 0.001% is valve ceo that many here on lemmy praise.
Is there a digital collection that hosts propaganda images that are against the thieving wealthy?
Billions of poor people are giving their money every single day to companies owned by rich people, this explains why rich people are getting richer
Does anyone have any ideas how we can stop poor people from giving their money to the rich? Every time they use Google they are given an electric shock ? Every time someone goes to buy something on Amazon they get personally spanked by a local Jeff Bezos lookalike?
My proposal is taxing the everloving shit out of the richest people. 50% wealthtax over €20 million (a number I pulled out of my ass, but I think it's important to not hurt the regular small businesses). If you can't sell your assets for some reason, the assets are forfeited to be operated or sold by the government, to redistribute the result through welfare and UBI.
And what about thhe poor billionaires who can't own more than 20 million euro you say? I don't give a shit. Let them off themselves if it's impossible to live with.
Rich people will give their money to enrich themselves or to fuck someone over. But giving their money freely to help humanity? Or accept being taxed? They are seriously homicidally resistant to that.
Off topic, I think billionaires should be required to do the lowest position in their organizations for a month once a year with their net worth assets frozen, their communication with any yes man or enabler being severed for that month, and be forced to live off of that monthly stipend for 1 month and if they get "fired" they cannot retaliate if the firing was in good faith and they lose 65-70% of their stock options for failing to do bare minimum competence.
Then they get imprisoned for taxfraud, and have their wealth confiscated. I no longer give half a shit about those parasites.
We've seen them voluntarily do homeless stints. It's just not the same thing when you know you're going back to your mansion in a few weeks. Just fucking tax their wealth bracket out of existence.
Oh I want them taxed, but like I said, they'd rather watch the world burn than be forced to give a dollar.
I have to respond to "with at a 50% wealthtax over 20 million euros" because that is the easy answer
Europe already has a lot of experience with taxing the ultra wealthy
In 1990, about a dozen European countries had a wealth tax, but by 2019, all but three had eliminated the tax because of the difficulties and costs associated with both design and enforcement.[6][7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_tax#In_practice
Normally progressives like to point to Europe for policy success. Not this time. The experiment with the wealth tax in Europe was a failure in many countries. France's wealth tax contributed to the exodus of an estimated 42,000 millionaires between 2000 and 2012, among other problems. Only last year, French president Emmanuel Macron killed it.
In 1990, twelve countries in Europe had a wealth tax. Today, there are only three: Norway, Spain, and Switzerland. According to reports by the OECD and others, there were some clear themes with the policy: it was expensive to administer, it was hard on people with lots of assets but little cash, it distorted saving and investment decisions, it pushed the rich and their money out of the taxing countries—and, perhaps worst of all, it didn't raise much revenue.
Paris (AFP) – Bernard Arnault, the billionaire boss of the world's biggest luxury conglomerate LVMH, has picked a fight with the French government by suggesting that companies could flee France for the United States to escape a planned tax hike.
And it's hard because there will always be another country that wants rich people
Tax transfers to those countries to the ever-loving-shit degree. Want to move money to this tax paradise? Sure. We take 90%. Not on profit. On transfer. Let's see them work around that. Want to move it to a country that doesn't have the same rules? Sure. We take 90% of that.
Then they'll be welcome to fuck right the fuck off, but I absolutely assure you, there is someone willing to start a new company in their place, if the market was previously in the "make you a billionaire" territory, but now the person can "only" accrue €20 million, someone will fill that hole, but that someone won't be a piece of shit like Jeff Besos, because they won't be allowed to become that economically powerful. Instead it'll be 500 smaller companies, all competing for the market.
What happened to the different european wealth taxes is that it was implemented with loopholes as big as the France-England tunnel, and any rich asshole who didn't feel like paying taxes, could just transfer it somewhere else, and call it an investment. Instead, tax every single cent they move out of the country at 90%. That way they're forced to invest their money in the country they're making their money off of. Maybe give them a rebate if they move it within Europe to facilitate growth across the union, let's tax that at 45% instead then.
That's because they left giant loopholes in those laws. Like allowing the ultra wealthy to remove their money from the country. They got that money because of the country, they don't get to then fuck off and take that wealth out of the country. They're free to leave, the majority of their wealth is not.
And poor nobles can cry me a river, sell the assets. Take the stocks too. The entire idea of shareholders running the company needs to die anyways.
If it's a free market within the country, the vaccuum created by the wealthy leaving will be filled in by smaller business servicing the same industries.
Big corporations that have wealth concentrating with the top brass and share holders do not add anything of value to the market over cooperatives and other worker owned incentive structures.
First you need to put the non-rich in charge and prevent them being bought off by the rich. That's the hard part, but not impossible.
No comments about the "accept all or reject all and subscribe" really says something about no one ever reading the article. And just to be clear, I'm in full agreement of how fucked this is. It just really stuck out to me. And I highly doubt everyone who commented used some extention, script or service to get past that, I feel pretty confident that almost none did. If most did at least one would have posted a link so everyone else could get the full article.
Its makes it sound like most people are lazy!
Wait.... most people are lazy... maybe thats why they arent successful?
/s btw...
Sorry to nitpick, but can someone pls explain how a specific subset of people collectively hold 3x(50% of humanities' wealth) - that totals 200% of a finite amount?
Just gotta do the math with the right variables. 50% of PEOPLE not of total wealth. So, the poorest half of people have a wealth sum equivalent to all the wealth owned by the richest .001%.
find the poorest 50% of the earth's population. determine their collective wealth
look at the wealthiest people on earth, and add them to a list from the top down, one by one. stop when you reach a collective wealth three times that of what you found for the poorest 50% of people. count how many uber wealthy people that was, and calculate what percentage of the population they are
find the poorest 50% of the earth's population. determine their collective wealth <
So this subset holds half of all wealth on the planet, according to the OP headline phrasing.
stop when you reach a collective wealth three times that of what you found for the poorest 50% <
So we're up to 50% poor people + 150% ultra-wealthy = 200% of humanity's wealth...
the poorest half of humanity does not have half the wealth
you're stuck on that interpretation but its not what the words mean
if you sort everyone richest to poorest and then cut the group in half at the midpoint so an equal number if people lie on each side, the poorest half do not have half the wealth
you are misinterpreting the headline phrasing. there isn't a second way to interpret it.

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