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[–] 76 points 11 months ago (2 children)

5 million a year would go a long way towards making their open source solutions meet their needs.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The cynic in me says they are very good at burning through such amounts without any notable progress. However since it is open source, my hopes are up that this will lift the veil where otherwise bureaucracy and corruption will waste the money.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    I mean, optionally they could set up a tiny dev shop with that amount and submit the PRs they want to submit. And at worst, they could maintain their own fork.

    It'd be a public service in more ways than one.

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  • [–] 163 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    This is great, But using Microsoft Windows should be illegal for public services in EU.
    We can no longer allow ourselves to depend on American IT infrastructure.

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  • [–] 111 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Public Money should result in public code.
    It can't be, that our public money lands as profits in non European companies.
    That should be a given, imho

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I 100% agree, but some would consider that a matter of ideology.
    The other point about dependency on USA when they are acting with hostility is more pragmatic.

    99% of people don't understand all the reason why open source is better for public services, except if we can say it's cheaper. That's the one point they understand, and the one point Microsoft has been attacking most with their propaganda against open source.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago

    This is so selfish. What about the shareholders?!!!??

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I really hope GNU/Linux can run on old Fax machines and the printing-out-emails workflow works smoothly.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Seriously. While I support the change to foss solutions, this is going to go over like a fart in church for the people that were just forced off fax machines and into email a year ago. And there’s a zero percent chance that Germany will use any of those savings for a support infrastructure. The German way is to figure it out, and endure the suffering while you do with the bare minimum of support from people that barely know the shit themselves.

    I have a friend who is principal at a high school here in DE and the stories she’s been telling me about the new push to get tablets into the hands of kids is straight fkn Monty Python level absurdity… from the staff!

    Germany painted themselves into a corner with their refusal to modernize their tech infrastructure. The “it’s not broken, so don’t fix it” mentality has left them 20 years behind all their neighbors. But, hey, traditions over everything… amirite?

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Another government stops renting key software and instead invests in actuall ownership!

    Honestly, if Microsoft said they wanted to own the Autobahn I could only imagine people would tell them to fuck off (in english and deutche). Why would digital infrastructure be any different?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Be nice if Chicago had the same attitude towards our highways ):

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly. I think private companies can have a place in public infra, but it's not in the freaking ownership. Rent seeking is the worst and most destructive aspect of private ownership and we've known and can look at countless example of that since Adam Smith!

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    In before Microsoft break out the FUD tactics and a year or two of cheap licenses.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Gates is already boarding the jet.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nadella you mean? It's been a while since Gates was CEO of Microsoft.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This is a bit of ancient history, but back when Munich decided to move away from Microsoft (only because MS dropped Windows NT 4.0), it is said that Ballmer tried first dropping license fees down to a whooping 90% for a limited time.

    That didn't work, so MS started a campaign of FUD against Linux that lasted ten years (e.g. http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/77174.html).

    Then a year later, it was announced that MS would move its DACH headquarters to Munich and almost serendipitously, Munich also declared that it was moving back into Microsoft's arms for.. em.. pure bureaucratic reasons: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3006352/munich-it-chief-slams-citys-surprise-decision-to-dump-linux-for-windows

    For the love of Pete I don't remember from whom I heard it first or if I read it somewhere, but at a point Bill Gates was gloating about negotiating with Munich on behalf of Microsoft.

    In any case, he never left: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/bill-gates-still-backstage-manages-microsoft

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Interesting. I knew the stuff about Munich, and I knew Gates was still a shareholder, but didn't know he was still so actively involved. Based on that last link, it sounds more like he'll be telling Nadella to get on a plane and what to say on arrival rather than get on it himself though.

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  • [+] 22 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Trump admin shoots the U.S. in the foot every chance it gets

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is also good news because it obviously means that german government will have to review the software used for possible security holes and close them, so everyone who also uses the software gets security fixes.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Inspiration for many more governments!

    I have already contacted my, Slovakian government. I should ping them again 😅

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    They do this every few years, when the contract is up for negotiation, M$ will make a way cheaper option, and they will switch back

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I'm holding out hope that discounts wont work this time, because the motivation is different. It used to be about cost, now it's about digital sovereignty. I won't bet anything of value, but I can hope.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    didn't another german state already try this and fail pretty spectacularly?? cost them WAY more money and then they ended up rolling back to m$??

    given that, this is fantastic news! it's good to see people learn from past failed implementations, hopefully learn from their mistakes, and try again instead of just blaming it on bad software

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I’ve been trying to find a source but from what I remember the transition was in maybe Munich and it was going fine.

    Microsoft opened a new sales or operation center there and got cozy with the government there as quickly as possible to turn them back into a customer.

    EDIT: Here is the LiMux endeavor.

    Microsoft had announced in 2013 its willingness to move its German headquarters to Munich in 2016, which according to Reiter though, is unrelated to the criticism they've presented against the LiMux project.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    So, which distro will they be using?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I swear to god if this is Schleiswig Holstein again I'm giving it back to Denmark

    Edit: of course it is. Ok it's Sønderjylland again now. Prusssians out.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    15mil more in the pockets of politicians as a reward for saving it, lol

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  • [+] -12 points 11 months ago* (13 children)
  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago*

    This is such a shortsighted take. After the initial hurdle of migration, you're free of licenses forever. It won't take long for the savings to match the initial costs, and after that it's more money in the bank until the Sun explodes.

    Not to mention the tiny insignificant issue of a foreign private company having backdoors into your government's IT infrastructure. A foreign private company headquartered in Trumpistan of all places.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah but you’re missing the point. Them choosing to change despite the massive marketing budget of m$ is what my takeaway would be. Migrations are almost never easy.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    Exactly.

    This isn’t a decision being made to cut costs, it’s a strategic move because the EU just assessed how badly they’d be screwed if Trump throws a tantrum and forces American tech companies to disrupt services to their governments.

    In addition, the EU has strong data privacy laws and US tech companies are resisting compliance (Elon was recently fined 150million, for example).

    This has led to several hearings with tech executives who said that they could not guarantee that the data would stay in the EU and they could not guarantee that the data would not be provided to any other country.

    Digital privacy laws don’t mean anything if they don’t apply to the major tech companies and they’ve said that they won’t comply.

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That comment does not state that imo. I interpret it as „If they would spend that money on the transitions and advancing the open source projects they consider switching to, that would help the process“. But maybe that’s just a misunderstanding.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Well I was of course talking about the comment you quoted.

    5 million a year would go a long way towards making their open source solutions meet their needs.

    How is that „using fate instead of using their head“? Germany already has funds in place specifically for open source projects so that’s not so far off the charts (even though the amount would be lower) so what’s your point ?

    Edit: And to be more specific the point of somehow being profitable is also not coming through to me on this, since when is open source software profitable except when used by for profit companies ? I can understand the hype, I also know it will be pain for people involved and M$ will do everything to reverse the change possibly leading to even more headaches for said admins etc. as has happened in the past but you can’t finish what you don’t start so I think it’s still good news.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I can only imagine all these bureaucrats with learning issues because something needs to be done differently now🙄

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    What exactly are you trying to prove with that Wikipedia link? If anything it shows relatively wide adoption of Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    No no, I know what you're implying, I was implying that the link doesn't prove what you think it does. I'm assuming you fixated on the Munich project, and that is a convoluted story and the Wikipedia entry on that is not up to date. The latest on the Munich project is that they cancelled the switch back to Windows.

    Edit: And I can only assume that you were referring to the Munich story because you threw up the link with zero quotations or direct references. If you have a specific interpretation of that Wikipedia article, then you need cite things. What exactly is the "cost of migration"? Is it one million dollars or 50 million? Did it take a weekend to do, or did it bog down entire departments for months at a time? Is that 50 million dollars over budget? How are the immediate costs vs long term savings measured? Because the savings are measured in decades, not single year or several year licensing costs.

    I'm not going to do your job for you. You might think that a months or even years long transition progress is unacceptable, but someone like myself who works in IT would see that is within expectations. If you have a point to make, then MAKE IT.

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