I'm always excited by these kinds of headlines! I hope they stick with open source and don't switch back.
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Great, but they should donate some of the saved money to open source projects they are using to make sure they stay updated.
And states like bavaria are hard prone on windows because Sรถder has a small prick and "is not like those northeners"
More likey they are prone on it, because they get a cut from it. There is a big Microsoft office in Bavaria.
Didn't that one just "accidentally" happen when Mรผnchen started building their LiMux distribution, and after Steve Ballmer went to visit them personally?
eh sรถder doesn't decide everything personally
i would be surprised if windows is actually in the backend anywhere
linux is hard to sell as frontend to the average worker tho
While the biggest state in Germany decided to make a deal with Microsoft for an estimate of 1000 Million Euros:
(Article is in German) https://www.heise.de/news/Vertrag-soll-bis-Jahresende-stehen-Bayern-will-in-die-Microsoft-Cloud-11066618.html
Bayern is a bit of a conservative shithole if you ask me. Since 1957 the CSU party has always won the leadership of the state executive. They are constantly hindering green energy production and they suck BWM-cock regarding internal combustion engine cars. It does not surprise me, that they are shit on this question too.
Edit: Ups, wahrscheinlich hรคtte ich dir das nicht erklรคren mรผssen, wenn du ja deutsche Heise Artikellinks postest... Ich lasse es jetzt aber fรผr andere Leser stehen.
I was just thinking this when I first saw the title. I always see these announcements as a call for more bribes by the politicians/bureaucrats.
Then they just go back to Microsoft like nothing changed.
Ehhhh this time might be different. The shift seems to be cultural across European country's leaderships.
They're seeing Trump's actions, they're seeing the repeated failures by Microsoft and the repeated monopolistic abuses by Microsoft and Silicon Valley as a whole (which, that's a term that's seemed to entirely fall off now that I think of it!) they're finally seeing what the Linux evangelists have been saying, as well as seeing the potential money to be made by nurturing their own European tech industry
I think it's the right storm of the Trump administration coinciding with Microsoft's sketchy Windows 11 migration (with at least half a billion devices being sent to the ewaste pile early) also coinciding with the very visible alignment of large tech platforms with Trump. Its also been a solid 30 years (give or take) of Microsoft dominating the desktop landscape and the last 15 years (give or take) of Microsoft consuming more and more of the server and cloud landscape, so individual decision makers have had plenty of time to get more and more fed up with Microsoft
The only question is if there's enough negative sentiment and distrust towards Microsoft and other American tech companies to push through the growing pains of scaling these open source solutions to entire countries, which we may well have given we're still in the first of 4 years of another Trump administration (especially if the Republican party remains as far out of alignment with Europe as they have been)
Linux ecosystem is very solid, I donโt get why governments would prefer proprietary code, specially after all NSA debacle.
Because when something goes wrong they can know nothing, call someone and say 'fix it now' and they would. That support line is gone. Ideally they should have a few of these people on staff. Well see.
If external professional support is needed they could just buy it too. One of the bigger Linux companies, SUSE, is even from Germany, and still operates out of Nรผrnberg (or "Nuremberg" for people who are more familiar with the anglicized name).
RHEL exists... linux isnt just for sweaty nerds in basements, it's also for sweaty enterprise desktop end users....
Thatโs nonsense. Just because something is open source, doesnโt mean that support doesnโt exist.
its as much about support as its accountability
you have somebody to blame or potentially sue
That's not what he is saying. Quit that strawman bullshit.
It's not exactly a secret that competence for Microsoft Solutions is far more frequent than competence of various Linux solutions, if someone built that solution at all.
At my work, If a windows user gets a windows related problem, we probably have hundreds of people that can fix it.
If a Linux user get a Linux related problem. If they can't fix it themselves, then IT probably can't fix it either. Not because our IT is useless, but because the Linux guys know know Linux better than IT. So we'd have to call in a contractor to help them.
And they are not cheap. Because there's not a lot of Linux experts right now.
Have you tried calling that problem a feature and that it's working as expected? If you do that, magically all your windows problems go away.
I guess you can call in a windows expert to issue you a certificate saying that, whatever floats your boat.
No, we don't work for Bethesda. We just fix the problems we encounter. But that's beside the point.
Do you know how many programs there are for Linux to manage the payroll for a large company, with various regional taxes? I do.
And how many companies do that in a browser?
Just as an example. The state of Schlewsig Holstein has 30,000 workers using LibreOffice. If the service goes down, that means that 30,000 workers can not work any longer, but still get paid. Median hourly wage in Germany is 25โฌ, so for every hour the serivce is down, you pay 750,000โฌ.
That is the level of support you need for a service like this and some forum and a bunch of volunteer devs do not cut that.
My experience with microsoft is thst there custom service is terrible
So having worked in a few IT departments, I've noticed that ones where the general culture is "let's buy this off the shelf product and a support contract" tend to have a lot more dealing with issues while sitting on their hands and blaming the vendor whereas the departments that are more hands-on and take the approach of "let's find the right solution and make it work whether or not we can get the vendor support we'd like" tended to have more robust systems, but also more outages due to their own internal errors
So like most decisions in both business and IT it comes down to risk tolerance. I think in the context of your choice of Office suite that risk level is fairly low. Libre Office is an office suite which installs onto the client PC and has minimal integration with outside servers. Its extremely easy to uninstall and reinstall an earlier version if you identify a problem while rolling out an update, and it's extremely easy to hold a version and not update (which of course comes from security risks, but again, those are not terribly significant compared to other IT contexts)
The main thing in this context that a vendor support contract would provide is the ability to deploy developer resources that are already familiar with the codebasd on a bug if you encounter a problem that's significant enough. In the case of open source software like Libre Office you get the added benefit of being able to simply spend money on developers and maintain a fork if the upstream project is giving you enough trouble too.
The bigger risks where you will really want a support contract is on the server and network side, because those are much more critical when an issue does arise, may require restoring from backup to rollback and will often have contingency plans as expensive as maintaining warm/cold spares and separate failover regions and hot spares
You people have no idea what you are talking about. LibreOffice isnโt a service. Itโs a software package.
Also https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/
The Document Foundation does not provide professional support services for LibreOffice. It does, however, develop and maintain a certification system for professionals of various kinds who deliver and sell services around LibreOffice.
That's a LOT different than the support you can get from Office. Enterprise contracts usually come with guaranteed uptime, 24/7 immediate L3 support, custom hotfixes for specific workflow issues, and much more.
I get that it's expensive, most people don't need that, and there should be better options. Unfortunately, there quite often isn't. The difference between Office and the second best of a huge margin.
On top of that, the integration costs can be massive as all your workflows are built for Office products. At the least, the companies need to find a way to replace all your macros, addins, and queries.
Support is a service, so is deploying and maintaining software.
Also the list is a great case in point. If you want them to speak German, looking at the names, you end up with three trainers and a single migration expert. To be fair there seem to be a lot of German speaking developers, but they tend to hate working in support. Just imagine somebody is sick or on vacation.
Also LibreOffice is a large open source project. For smaller ones it is much worse.
Yeah, that's the point. Microsoft Office is a service with support and downtime guarantees.
LibreOffice service cant go down, it's not always online like Microsoft 265
What? There are many companies supporting Linux commercially: Collabora (Who support specifically Libre office etc, Igalia)
Another European country tried that switch but found that retraining employees was too expensive and inefficient.
Which country?
Support contracts aren't always a thing for FOSS projects, and companies need support contracts to get support from the source when dealing with P1 outages and the like.
if this were a socialist country, libreoffice would've been used a lot more than microsoft office. seriously!
oh and this is my 250th comment here on this lemmy instance. seriously!
Schleswig-Holstein is shaking out to be such a good example of Proven Track Record โข๏ธ for use of FOSS software in public administration, or any large organization really.
Anybody advocating for other public administrations to migrate can point loudly at Schleswig-Holstein that it's been done before and how to do it right. No more "that would never work" from the proprietary nay-sayers
Meanwhile in Canada https://stocktwits.com/news-articles/markets/equity/microsoft-announces-5-4-billion-canada-investment-to-strengthen-ai-cloud-services/cLIrUufREZt
I saw you can run old versions of Microsoft office via wine for free, is that technically legal such that they can do that?
Depends on the license and version. I do know some old office versions are "forever" use since it was before madness became standard practice. Now how useful old office versions would be? No idea, however Libreoffice is up to date, useful and open.
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