cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/39883667

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/6931377

cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/11379

Since Israel began bombarding Gaza and starving its population of more than 2 million Palestinians in October 2023, the consensus that the Israeli government is committing genocide has steadily grown to include international and Israeli human rights groups, a United Nations panel, Holocaust scholars, and nearly 40% of Jewish Americans, according to one striking recent survey.

But in 10 words, former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday waved away the findings of respected groups like Amnesty International and renowned experts like Brown University professor Omer Bartov, when she commented on why young Americans are expressing support for Palestinians.

"They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok," said Clinton.

Without pointing to any evidence, the former secretary of state said young people in the US are "seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information" about Israel's attacks on Gaza.

She added that "it’s not just the usual suspects"—without naming who those pro-Palestinian "suspects" are.

"It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand," she said. "A lot of the challenge is with younger people."

Hillary Clinton blames TikTok and “totally made up” videos for young people’s views on Israel and Palestine.

She says social media influenced “not just the usual suspects” but also “young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand.” https://t.co/rUVXRqK2rK pic.twitter.com/hAwG7Gbhwf
— Prem Thakker (@prem_thakker) December 2, 2025

Her remarks echoed those of former Obama White House speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz, who spoke recently about the challenges Zionists are presented with when they try to defend Israel to young Jewish people who have seen widely available, credible images and news out of Gaza, where Israel has killed more than 70,000 Palestinians and is continuing to restrict humanitarian aid despite a ceasefire deal reached in October.

"Anything that we try to say to them, they’re hearing it through this wall of carnage," Hurwitz lamented last month, drawing condemnation.

Clinton was speaking at an event in New York City for Israel Hayom, the most widely read newspaper in Israel, which is run by billionaire Miriam Adelson, a megadonor to President Donald Trump. Adelson published an editorial in the Jewish Journal in November 2023 saying pro-Palestinian protesters "are dead to us," and her late husband, Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, said in 2014 that the Palestinians are "an invented people."

Jeremy Slevin, a senior adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), pointed to the irony of Clinton attending an event associated with the Adelsons and then claiming that "the kids are being radicalized by anti-Israel propaganda."

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Clinton has frequently claimed that pro-Palestinian Americans, particularly students who took part in nationwide campus protests last year as they urged the Biden administration to comply with US law and stop funding Israel's attacks on Gaza, are simply misinformed about Palestine and ignorant of history, particularly pointing to the 2000 Camp David Summit hosted by former President Bill Clinton.

The former secretary of state has repeated the claim that the Palestinians were offered a "generous deal" at the meeting and "walked away"—a "myth" that Camp David negotiator Robert Malley has debunked, warning it's been used by Clinton and others to "justify Israel's genocide."

Robert Malley on the myth of “Palestinians walked away” at Camp David (July 2000):

➤ Malley says the popular story pushed since 2000 – that Arafat rejected a “generous offer” – is contradicted by the actual record. Israeli PM Barak sidelined the Palestinians for a year,… pic.twitter.com/3vlf1Rl4qj
— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) November 28, 2025

"She’s the one getting the history wrong," including at the Israel Hayom event, said Drop Site News on Tuesday.

A number of observers took issue with Clinton's suggestion that anti-Israel sentiment in the US is being driven solely by young people, with Just Security executive editor Adil Haque issuing a "periodic reminder that the biggest shift in attitudes toward Israel and Palestine has been among older Democrats."

In 2022, 43% Democratic voters ages 50 and up had an unfavorable view of Israel. That percentage has risen sharply since Israel began its onslaught in Gaza, with 66% of those voters reporting an unfavorable view in a Pew Research Center poll this year.

Meanwhile, 71% of Democrats ages 49 and under opposed Israel in the same poll, and 62% of them had expressed opposition in 2022, denoting a less extreme shift in opinion.

"Democrats get their news from CNN more than other mainstream sources," said Haque, pointing to the network's recent investigation about Palestinian aid-seekers who were killed by Israeli forces. "If you're a 60-year-old with grandkids and you read or watch CNN's Gaza reporting, you don't need TikTok to know that what's happening is very, very wrong."

Dylan Williams, vice president of government affairs at the Center for International Policy, also suggested Clinton has an inaccurate view of who opposes Israel's ongoing attacks on Palestinians.

"I’m nearly 50. I don’t use TikTok. I listen to NPR 'Morning Edition' and read the Financial Times daily," said Williams. "I’m a lawyer who has worked on Israel-Palestine issues for the last 20 years. The evidence I’ve seen that Israel committed atrocities including genocide in Gaza is overwhelming."

Author Jason Overstreet wondered how Clinton would explain the findings of human rights groups like Amnesty International and Israel-based B'Tselem, which pointed to testimonies by Israeli soldiers and the documented destruction of Gaza's food system when it concluded in a report in July that Israel is committing genocide in the exclave.

"I guess Hillary Clinton also thinks that Amnesty International called what’s happening in Gaza a genocide because they saw some videos on TikTok and just 'did not know history,'" said Overstreet. "Young people’s views on Israel are based on young people knowing that Israel has committed genocide."

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[–] 123 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just to point out, Israel committing genocide is what makes people think Israel is committing genocide.

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  • [+] -19 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    who can we blame for arab terrorist groups literally having israeli genocide written into their constitution and arabs starting genocidal wars against israel?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    I'm guessing you're referencing the Hamas Charter. It has since been updated:

    While the 1988 Hamas Charter had been widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document removed the antisemitic language and stated that Hamas' fight was not with Jews as such because of their religion but with the "Zionist project."[10][11][12][13][14][15] When asked, Hamas leaders explained that "The original charter has now become a historical document and part of an earlier stage in our evolution. It will remain in the movement's bookshelf as a record of our past."[16]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

    They haven't fully repudiated the old charter, though, so there's that. But I can't fault them for trying to push back against the "Zionist project." Anyone would fight for their right to continue living on their ancestral lands, if threatened.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Hillary also tried to blame gang violence and school shootings on video games decades ago.

    She was wrong then, she's wrong now.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

    People talk a lot about Hillary Clinton's infamous "Pokémon Go to the Polls" remark; but she also repeatedly suggested banning "violent" video games through her 2015-2016 campaign. That was undoubtedly a factor in GamerGate/ the alt-right shift among mainstream gaming and internet culture at that time. I found out that Hillary held this position from mainstream internet memes.

    I don't think the significance of this issue can be understated, given Gen Z's rightward shift in 2024. Feminists are gonna vote Dem, Bible-Thumpers are gonna vote Republican; it's the politically-indifferent population that decide elections.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    People don't know/have forgotten that the Democrats really pushed the moral panic around violent video games and music. Both Joe Liberman (Al Gore's running mate and promenant senator) and Tipper Gore (wife of Al Gore) were leaders in pushing for music/video game censorship

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    They were also in on the whole Clipper Chip debacle. They tried to force a hardware level encryption backdoor into all computers back under President Clinton. This stuff isn't new for them, they're just less dictatory then the Conservatives who are founded on the restoration of the monarchy.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Tipper Gore was part of a group of Evangelical Christian representative's spouses who did this. The driving force was her faith not her party.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    But her party supported her efforts, so while it may have started with some religious rationalization, the Dems took it on as well. Another shameful example of Democratic weakness, and willingness to abandon their principles for no good reason at all.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Whose party? Tipper Gore was Al Gore's wife not a politician herself. The PMRC was a bipartisan group in terms of which party theor husbands were in.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    A politician's wife is an extension of the politician, and uses her voice to amplify their chosen issues. When the first or second lady start talking about an issue, it's because they have been cleared by the administration to talk about it.

    Don't kid yourself, the 90s Democrats were trying to appease the pearl-clutching moralizing Republicans by voluntarily abusing the First Amendment because Republicans were offended by curse words on records, and Tipper Gore was the point man.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    First, no the wife of someone is not an extension of their spouse nor vice versa as they are separate people.

    Second, why are you talking about the 1990s? Were you alive when this was going on?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Do you know anything about politics? Of course the wife is an extension of her husband. It is very rare that a wife hides in the background, especially in a high level office like the VP. Nobody gets that far without their wife being part of their political team from day one of their career.

    And I'm talking about the 90s, because that's when the Clintons were at the peak of their power, with Hillary being widely considered as a co-President. That was when Tipper Gore was attacking the First Amendment, with the full support of the Democratic party.

    And was I alive when this was going on? I registered to vote as Unaffiliated Independent in 1977, so yes, I was actively involved in politics during the 90s.

    Besides, being alive or not is irrelevant. I wasn't alive for MOST of American history. Are you saying that I can't have an opinion about past history, despite having a actual college degree in history? Because that doesn't make any sense at all.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The PMRC was formed in 1985. The trials were in the 1980s. Stop talking about this definitively because you clearly aren't informed about this at all and on top of it ypuare being overtly sexist.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Sexist? WTF are you talking about? I haven't once tied this to her being a woman. She was the point man on a very ill-advised Democratic attempt to appease Republican moralists. That's my issue with her, it has nothing to do with her being a woman. That's obviously your axe to grind, not mine.

    And so what if it started in the 80s? That's when it started, but it didn't pick up real steam until the Republican-Lite Clinton administration. You think I don't know what I'm talking about because you are clearly extremely ignorant of this situation, but I was on the front lines of that battle throughout the entire 90s. I worked for the largest record company in America during the 90s, when Tipper Gore was in full force as the Second Lady (1992-2000), and we were dealing with the PRMC's unConstitutional demands every day.

    The bulk and peak of the PRMC's efforts were during the 90s. That's simply a fact. Why would anybody have listened to Tipper Gore in the 80s, back when she was nothing but the wife of a Tennessee Senator? The only reason you know she was involved was because she was the VP's wife, and that didn't happen until the 90s.

    But if you won't believe me, maybe you'll believe Google AI:

    While its initial push was in the mid-80s, the PMRC's work, especially concerning music content and censorship debates, remained relevant through the late 80s and 90s as Tipper Gore remained involved in political activism, notes Rolling Stone and Wikipedia.

    Of course, the notoriously cowardly record industry decided to censor themselves rather than resist attempts by the government to impose censorship.

    Stop talking about this definitively because you clearly aren't informed about this

    Go fuck yourself, dummy.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    You literally said a wife was an extension of her husband. That's traditionally sexist.

    The trials were entirely in the 1980s. Im presuming that ypu are lying about ypur age because of how well publicized they were at the time.

    If you were a voter in 1977 you would know why the wives of the PMRC got their hearings in the late 1980s. You would know who they were and realize ypur claim that this was a democrat driven effort were factually incorrect.

    Why are you lying about this? Is your life that small?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Why are you lying about this? Is your life that small?

    Okay, it's on. I'm not lying at all, I actually know how to use Google, and I know how to read, and Wikipedia is the first thing that comes up, with ALL the basic facts.

    First of all, there were no "trials," there was ONE Senate hearing, on September 19, 1985, that was famous because Dee Snider, Frank Zappa, and Jon Denver testified, so everybody was paying attention to it. But everyone who has followed politics for more than a decade (and I've followed it for far longer than that) knows that Senate/Congressional hearings are just Dog & Pony Shows that NEVER lead to any meaningful changes once the political posturing is over, and the cameras are turned off. Nobody was ever charged with anything, nobody went in front of a judge, nobody was fined or went to jail. Literally NOTHING changed following that SINGLE HEARING, except that the American people were aware of the PMRC, and the issue, now.

    That hearing may have been their defining moment, but it was not their peak, and it was certainly not their end. You act like the PMRC was over by the 90s, but they were just getting started. 1990 was the year they finally settled on the official warning stickers that became their only enduring influence, and that was when they really got started. Once Al Gore became VP in 1992, it turbocharged his wife Tipper's efforts, and they harassed the entire record industry throughout the entire Clinton administration. Record companies had to carry double inventory on certain recordings, censored and uncensored, decisions had to be made on which albums would carry the stickers, etc., and that went on through the rest of the Clinton Administration, which was entirely in the decade of the 90s. This is simple historical fact, and I was in the thick of it, so don't tell me I'm wrong.

    And I obviously meant POLITICAL wives are extensions of their husbands, and likewise Political husbands are extensions of their wives. That was clear from the context that I wasn't referring to ALL women as extensions of their husbands, that would be stupid, especially in 2025. I was really just referring to Tipper Gore as an extension of her husband, which is an extremely accurate statement. She WAS an extension of her husband, AND the entire Clinton administration during the 90s, and BTW, so was Hillary Clinton.

    It isn't a sexist statement to say a spouse is an extension of their elected spouse, especially wives. Even today, most political wives are not employed themselves, they work on their husband's campaigns and support their office if they get elected, while political husbands are usually employed in their own jobs. When a political wife makes a speech, it's in support of their husband or his administration. They may have their own agenda and objectives as a political wife, but they are approved by the campaign/administration. They are not just extensions of their husband's career, but the administration he works for. You may not like that arrangement, but it is still the standard model for political couples. It may be an inherently sexist system, but is NOT sexist to point out the reality that such a model exists.

    And it's really, really, REALLY lame to resort to accusing someone of lying about their age just because they are supporting their arguments with verifiable facts backed up by real world experience, when you can't even look up the subject properly on Google, and get the basic facts straight. If I were you, I'd be super embarrassed at your poor debate performance here. As a grade, you'd get a D, at best. You couldn't even get the basic timeline correct. Next time, do basic research first, just a simple Google search to start.

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I don't need to ever hear from Hilary again.

    I am not a young person and do not ever use TikTok. The reason I think there is a genocide is the sheer preponderance of evidence.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I am not a young person and do not ever use TikTok. The reason I think there is a genocide is the sheer preponderance of evidence.

    Same

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The average Lemmy user is going to be significantly more informed than the average person. If you only used cable news and Facebook to get your information you wouldn't have the facts to take an informed stance.

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  • [–] 88 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    oh hey look the third most famous person to suck off Bill Clinton

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    I don't use TikTok. TikTok is garbage.

    I believe Israel is committing a genocide because:

    1. People in Gaza tell us so

    2. Senators and House Reps in US Congress tell us so, namely Jewish Bernie Sanders, (though as Genocide is reason for war they can be censured and removed for using the exact word, he has used words like mass starvation, exodus, bombing of tens of thousands up to millions of people majority women and children, etc.)

    3. Pete Hegseth specifically said "Death or Exodus" of Palestinians

    4. Fucking Israel tells us so

    She isn't even corrupt at this point she is very clearly senile.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    though as Genocide is reason for war they can be censured and removed for using the exact word

    Citation? How tf does Congress get the power to declare war yet cannot discuss reasons for war? Also isn't the discussing things on the floor of Congress give you extra free speech protections?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Genocide is listed as the primary justification for intervention and war under the United Nations Genocide Convention in 1948. LINK HERE

    During the US Civil War, members of congress faced expulsion for advocating war against the USA and its allies. To date only 20 members of congress have ever been expelled. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib was recently censured and threatened with expulsion for using this exact language.

    Congress can discuss war, but discussing war against allies can get you expelled from congress.

    Personally whether we call it a "genocide" or a "mass starvation of millions" or the "war on innocent people, killing of tens of thousands of women and children, expulsion from their homes and exile" is a difference without any distinction so I don't give a single flying fuck if they use the word genocide or not.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago

    I’m fucking 40, stop calling me a young American, boomers are just ancient and in denial about their mortality

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago

    Blame Israel committing genocide for the view that people think Israel is committing genocide.

    It's not just young Americans; it's also old Europeans and people from many other countries. It's genocide experts, human rights experts, and basically everybody who opposes genocide, who are all horrified and disgusted by what's been going on.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago

    Not the bombing of hospitals and children? Really?

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    Israel is committing Genocide.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    Shut the fuck up, Hilary.

    We all know they’re paying you to say that.

    We also all see what is happening in Gaza. Stop the fucking gaslighting and excuses. You lost to Trump in part because of this condescension and patronizing.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't use tik tok at all and I think that so.....

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Hilary Clinton is a loser. What she says or thinks is unimportant.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago

    Uhhh, Hillary is a grasping attention-seeker.. and corrupt.

    Am not on tiktok, am not a kid and even I see what is happening in Gaza.

    She needs to fuck off and STFU like her husband.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Who gives a fuck what hillary clinton thinks or says. She never deserved anyone's attention in the first place. Her claim to fame: Married to a president.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    They can use this event to decrease faith in the entire DNC.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    the DNC that she represents isn't the party that's winning elections. They can try, and they can fail the same way they've been failing for the past decade. She represents rich boomers and nobody else.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    From where I'm sitting they haven't been failing, the DNC has had 48 or less senators for over a decade.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    So, to recap for you, since it's been 2 days, you claimed 1) she is not the DNC, which I agree with, 2) the people she represents are failing

    But the people she is representing in this case don't want the DNC to win at all.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    I mean I’m not on TikTok and think Israel is committing genocide Hillary.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I think what blows my mind is what am I missing that all these elite Americans are not? Why do they defend Israel so hard? Is it purely because of religious beliefs or something else?

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    [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Hillary championed Universal Healthcare while she was First Lady. Somehow, she did a 180 on that during her subsequent runs for office. That is when I stopped being interested in Hillary.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    "Used to be that young people just believed whatever propaganda we fed them! But now they've got actual video evidence of Isreal committing horrifying crimes against humanity and this has somehow convinced their barely formed minds that Isreal are, like, bad or something. Grumble grumble, oh shit my Depends are overflowing again!"

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago

    Look, Hillary - you're never going to make me like TikTok, even with glowing endorsements like this!

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Some real presidential insight there. She should run, it’s her turn!

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Clinton thinks that Americans should back Israel because they are a historic ally. The youth are asking why they have been a historic ally given what the US claims to represent.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry, if one of my friends becomes a serial killer, I don't defend him, gaslight everyone around us, cover for him, give him money to keep operating ( but he promised he'd stop killing people!), etc. I'd stop defending and supporting him, and cooperate with any authorities that want to put a stop to his murderous rampage.

    Why is that so hard?

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Bet Israel is paying her a lot for this bad take

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Nothing to do with the 100,000 dead civilians.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Shut the fuck up, Hillary.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    She's been resurfacing every 3-6 months to give a bad take as well as ruining DNC electoral strategy for 30 years now.

    She's respected in the DNC politic because of her "experience" but her experience is having the wrong take every time.

    I guess she also has money and can keep quiet about the nefarious sexual exploits of her colleagues.

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    [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    the reason to buy tiktok, was to mostly turn off the ANTI-zionist criticism against israel and its backers. it was one of the SC platforms not controlled by a us corporation which is pro-israel.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

    Several European countries and Canada have cut off weapon supplies to Israel because of Israeli war crimes.
    So are those countries governments and courts watching too much tiktok too?

    It's very disappointing how far removed from reality American politicians with only a few exceptions are.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_embargoes_on_Israel_since_2023

    Since 7 October 2023, several countries such as Italy, Japan, Spain, Canada, Colombia, the Netherlands and Belgium have ceased the sale of weapons to Israel.

    This is yet another example of why many Europeans consider American politicians as extreme, often pandering American exceptionalism or outright denying reality.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    It’s very disappointing how far removed from reality American politicians with only a few exceptions are.

    They're not ignorant. She's not ignorant. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State under Obama, and occupying Israel ("America's greatest ally") was brutalizing Palestinians during that administration, too. She absolutely knows what's been going on.

    Statements like Hillary Clinton's are meant to make Palestinian support seem infantile to the public, because pro-Israeli folks Know they've lost control of the narrative. Israel and its supporters can't beat the facts, so they're making absurdist claims like these to discredit their opposition. Don't get cocky, though. This is a page exactly out of the Trump campaign's playbook, And it worked for his campaign. Our fight doesn't end until Israel does.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    usa is the most right wing western country, hence why the far rights survive here as a political party, and why they often migrate here from canada, australia, europe when the couldnt grift there.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Hey Hillary.

    Genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.

    Words have meaning. The state of Israel is committing genocide.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Ms Super-predator says something stupid and tone deaf. Shocking

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Israel IS committing genocide. Maybe if Israel doesn't want people to think it's doing genocide, it should stop doing genocide. TikTok ain't got shit to do with it.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    She should just Pokemon-Go-fuck-off

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Angry old woman yells at the sky. News at 11.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Can't she just fuck off already?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Yeah at this point, Hillary Clinton is just as fucked up as Donald Trump. The latter is a joker and an idiot, but both are equally evil

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why do idiots vote for people like this?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    its kind of like being locked in a cage for your entire life, and you get fed a piece of human shit, every, single, day. and nothing else. except one day, they offer you the option of having your raw human shit placed in between two slices of bread.

    its still a piece of shit, but you think its a sandwich. because you simply dont know any better.

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