cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/54414754

In order to monitor encrypted communication, investigators will in future, according to the Senate draft and the Änderungen der Abgeordneten, not only be allowed to hack IT systems but also to secretly enter suspects' apartments.

If remote installation of the spyware is technically not possible, paragraph 26 explicitly allows investigators to "secretly enter and search premises" in order to gain access to IT systems. In fact, Berlin is thus legalizing – as Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania did before – state intrusion into private apartments in order to physically install Trojans, for example via USB stick.

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[–] 18 points 11 months ago (1 child)

You guys dont mind if the pigs install malware on your computer do you?

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Something something european democracy something something bulwark against Russian Chinese authoritarianism, something something east german stasi

    Such hollow, opportunistic rehtoric from people and governments who are doing the exact same things they accuse others of. Germany in particular, with it's to-the-hilt support of Israel's genocide, does not seem to have learned it's lesson.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If I ever move to Germany I'll remember to booby trap my doors and windows.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    In the US it's always been possible to do this with a proper warrant, though avoiding detection if the person expects something could be difficult. Security cameras and so on.

    I'm not too bothered by this given how much work it is. They will only do it if there's a criminal case or some other significant interest to work from. It's not a tool of warrantless mass surveillance even though it's been done abusively/illegally from time to time.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Think about what we did in Ireland in the 80s. It's no different, and it only worked marginally. Although that cpuld be because opsec was pretty good among the provisional IRA active cells.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Idk how stuff was done in Ireland but there weren't so many computers then. It's probably easier to install audio bugs than conduct an "evil maid attack" (infosec term for surreptitiously messing with someone's computer, traditionally in the person's hotel room) if they have taken any precautions.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Feeling like this is a gliding scale though. What's next, a surveillance state?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I think those are two different things. They might do 1000s of secret break-ins per year, maybe 10,000's. But probably not millions. OTOH, mass surveillance is used against just about everyone, i.e. billions. So the scale is different.

    Here in the US, I suspect secret break-ins are rare, because they are risky (armed occupants etc). So they do SWAT raids instead. Abusive and too often fatal, but not that secret.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Yeah, it doesn't scale. Most of the surveillance (legal intercept, SINA hardware on ISP) and injection of government malware will be through the hostile network. People who run a tight ship will have a small attack surface.

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    This is kinda silly. Most implants are installed by the NSA at the airport when you buy the device.

    It's much easier for them to install implants on devices at the time you order it than to break into your house.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Well, that sounds very undue-processy of them. Obviously what a same, civilized society would allow.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    So, the German police are the Stasi?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    And I'm sure if citizens do anything to remove malware on their devices they'll be criminally charged too 🤡

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Capitalism advanced towards end stage.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Hey wasn't Germany a democracy and didn't have Statsi?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    That's not a police job. Is german secret service entirely useless or what?

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    [–] 34 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Germany fronting some really insidious shit. Again.

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    [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    If remote installation of the spyware is technically not possible, paragraph 26 explicitly allows investigators to "secretly enter and search premises" in order to gain access to IT systems. In fact, Berlin is thus legalizing – [as Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania did before]– state intrusion into private apartments in order to physically install Trojans, for example via USB stick.

    What the fuck 😳

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Are explosive usb ports allowed? Or maybe high voltage, welding their equipment in place.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    This feels like a “carry your computer with you if possible, back up all your files offsite, install hidden cameras (along with some obvious cameras for misdirection), and wipe everything if you see someone enter” situation..

    Would that even be enough? Not for your physical privacy ofc but for avoiding the spyware.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Bismarck is history's greatest monster

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    There it is. Germany never really stopped being nazi.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago

    We can expect more of this kind of thing as we get closer to war with Russia.

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    [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    People whose thread model requires high stakes and serious encryption are probably using PGP with hardware keychain, with Tails or something similar on a live USB.

    Adding a high-profile law like this will probably just cause them to increase their op-sec and make it even harder to actually get any evidence where it really matters, while having a huge PR cost and abuse potential. But it's very probably not about catching criminals anyway.

    Also, it's kinda funny that they moved from SS to AA :D

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    This is some Stasi shit

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