That's kinda fallacious as an argument. AI cannot create good code, it CAN be used to create code, but requires.expert to fix the tons of mistakes and simply bad coding solutions it comes up with. If you don't have the skills it's better to use a tool made to help you with that with its limitations (rpg maker in your example) rather than use a tool made to aid already expert users (that even they say it actually creates more work for them lol). I write code myself and LLMs simply suck at coding. They can create "art" but it's all the same and you can spot it on their steam page when they do. Honestly, I'm not even angry at them for thinking the same way as you do: it's just that those coding solutions are advertised as such, and people are simply ignoring the expert in the field that tell them they can't actually do that. If you try that road you will either create something that doesn't work or something that will put its users at risk (by creating trojan backdoors in theor system or sharing sensitive information) and that's something I can't simply condone.

I don't know a single self-respecting artist who would use AI though. Artists are literally the most harmed people by the LLMs lol.

Other than that, I agree with what @spawn7586@lemmy.world said - if you don't know how to code, LLMs will generate the most unplayable game in existence.

And some people even outsource their defense of AI slop to AI.

Or, like in the past, people figure out solutions to the limitations and make something new. The fog in silent Hill is an example.

I'd rather pay for a game that looks shittier and handmade than ai garbage.

There's a difference between coding your game in high level code + making all the other stuff like assets, levels and music and asking thiefgpt to generate plagiarize assets and music for you.

Downloading isn’t stealing

Plagiarism is.

And let's be perfectly clear: we've heard from megacorporations for decades now that downloading is theft. But suddenly it isn't now that they benefit from it? Fuck that. When Lars Ulrich himself emerges from his greasy crust and admits that downloading isn't theft, then maybe - maybe we can talk about AI scraping everyone's hard work not being theft. Until then, you have the entire public domain to use, just like everyone else. If you don't think that's enough, then maybe the megacorps shouldn't have spent most of a century robbing humanity of a robust public domain.

Downloading isn't stealing??? Are you delusional? It is in this case. Just because the law doesn't recognise it is irrelevant, I'm not talking about legality, I'm talking about the ethics of ripping off small, underpaid artists.

Download a game, or a movie, or an album without the required license. That's piracy.

If I download a Disney movie, and use clips of it in my game, how do you think a court case would go?

Or if I download idk, a Taylor Swift album and use that in my game without a license, do you think the law would agree with me or Taylor Swift?

And my only excuse is "I couldn't afford to make my own music so I used yours"?

Using ai is no different. You're taking someone else's work, not paying for it, and using it in your training model without permission.

Just because they may have no ill intent is irrelevant, it only speaks to their ignorance on the matter.

"I'm sorry officer I didn't mean to speed, I had no ill intent". Ok, you're still getting a ticket. Ignorance is no excuse.

Respectfully, fuck right off.

Indie games compete all the time, they make millions. Games are an artform. Any developers using AI are in it for a quick buck and people dont want to reward that versus traditional hardwork.

Indies have been wildly successful for decades before AI has even existed, so dont suddenly pretend its a crutch they need now. And you are down right disrespecting any legitimate artists by defending AI use. It's disgusting.

It's the AAA devs that are going to use AI to pump out more garbage, not the honest indie developers.