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[–] 53 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Plasma is so good recently

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    yes it has improved a lot within the past year. I went from hating it a year ago to using it as my second DE for gaming. I hate to use this phrase but "It just works". And honestly once they roll out their workspace thing for multimonitor setups in Feb I might switch from Niri to it and make it my daily driver.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    10 years ago, I tried KDE and I hated it. Infact, I always thought KDE sucked. About three years ago, I tried it again and it was surprisingly better. I love that I didn't have to spend multiple hours to just get it tweaked right.

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  • I can't put my finger on why, it might just have been the default theme, but when I tried KDE several years ago, it felt dead. The way an abandoned website feels dead. Like how Team Fortress Classic servers feel dead. That has dissipated somehow.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I was always a huge KDE fan, and preferred it over alternatives, but even I must admit, it had a bunch of very frustrating problems in the past. I hadn't had any problems with it last many years, good to know it's not just my experience, it means they're really improved it and it's not just me grew complacent

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    amazing writing. x11 will be dropped 2027 but dont worry yet because until then 2026 is happening. thanks, didnt expect that!

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (19 children)

    Im not sure about the politics or many of the reasons, but personally, not a fan of wayland. Its nothing crazy, just things don't run as well on my hardware. X11 works in my experience, but honestly I don't know enough to say why.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    We're around the teetering point where X11 still works pretty well especially on older hardware. Like if you're rocking a GTX-1000 series graphics card I'd go Mint Cinnamon with X11, that's probably going to be a better experience than Wayland. There's certain things that X11 permitted that Wayland's security model outlaws, which is a deal breaker for some, but Wayland is the future.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    running GDM on two laptops, same models etc. Wayland glitches out all the time compared to x11.

    • windows flickering in/out of existence
    • random screen flickering
    • random screen artifacts
    • DPI scaling issues
    • screen sharing doesn't work

    x11 just works. like, no problems. I get it, new stuff etc, but Wayland has a long way to go before I switch.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    My first time installing Linux it had a weird issue where whenever I opened a graphical app or game, it would randomly blur the screen, never knew when it would happen it just was inevitable. Swapping to x11 made the problem go away. Still no idea why it happened.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    Same for me. I'm still kinda new to Linux so I'm not an expert on the matter, but what I'm reading online is that it doesn't work very well with Nvidia cards, which is what I use.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    This is old news. Nvidia did have issues with wayland at first, but that was quickly fixed. Most of my machines have Nvidia graphics cards, and all of them run Wayland flawlessly. I suggest that you try it on your machine if you want to see how well it works in your case though, mileage may vary.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Alright. This Christmas holiday I'm gonna try to make the switch again. And it's not bad for gaming either?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If you don't have a preference, I recommend trying out Bazzite.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's an entirely different distro right? I'm finally starting to get things right with Arch so I'm not sure if I'm ready to jump ships quite yet, haha. But thanks for the advice! If Wayland messes with my system too much, I might just jump ships.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Yep, it is. It's an idiot-proof gaming distro. It's preconfigured for gaming and immutable. I believe it's based on Fadora Atomic.

    My daily driver is EndeavourOS and my Girlfriend's PC is Bazzite, and I'm seriously jealous of how many things "just work" on her PC that I have to scrounge through steam forums and Arch Wiki to get working.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah i swapped from win10 to Linux with my 3070 and its been nothing but a headache on wayland.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Some people in this thread are saying this isn't true anymore so I might give it another go over the holidays. One thing I liked about Wayland was that I could have different resolutions for each of my two monitors. Something I can't seem to get working on X11. Wish me luck!

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This comments section is interesting since thats all I have heard about wayland before, and the comments here seem the opposite.

    Im not sure i have a particular opinion on the outcome of the anti x11 stuff, but outside waydroid, I have no use for wayland personally.

    Still, might try out some other options outside Plasma just to try them.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So what exactly is wrong with X11? I find X to be absolutely great, and it is great for me to use POSIX apps across multiple architectures and systems.
    Like what is it about Wayland that absolutely shits on X11 and makes people want to ditch X?

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    X11 doesn't support a number of modern features well (e.g. fractional scaling) and has a fundamentally insecure operational model that makes it hard to prevent keylogging/screengrabbing, and the developers found it so hard to evolve & work with over time that they decided to start over with a more modular and conservative approach.

    While it was a painful transition, I believe it's worth it. But I don't think that the accessibility story has developed enough to make the deprecation of X11 a good idea...

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    The day talon voice users are forced to dump KDE plasma

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  • [+] -7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

    Or stylus users. If the stylus functionality won't be fixed in Wayland when this change happens, I'll have stop my regular donation to KDE and start looking for another desktop environment to support.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Or maybe all those things will work two years from now. And if some issues remain there's still LTS support for a while in multiple distros, since this only affects future versions.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    last i looked at what talon requires, their unresolved asks spanned 17 years of wayland development.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    The requirements are generally things that were designed away on purpose from Wayland. Even if KDE plasma had a workaround solution, they would need to communicate with all other distros to make sure all distros have similar solutions so accessibility feature devs don't have to make a version of their application for every distro, and KDE Devs themselves have said that they "don't want to allow users to shoot themselves in the foot by letting the application bypass security features" as if application A knowing the coordinates of a window in application B has any security implication whatsoever.

    Wayland is fundamentally designed without accessibility in mind at all, and will virtually never work with it. The current status is still after 17 years "tough shit" and that infuriates me.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    This isn't happening for another year or so, there's time to get styli working

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    Good to hear! Keeping my fingers crossed.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Out of interest, which specific features / functionality is missing at the moment that you would be waiting for?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The main one is the Wacom stylus & screen, on a Thinkpad X1Extreme. I tried Wayland from a live Kubuntu 24.04, and in settings there was the message "Unsupported platform detected. Currently only X11 is supported". At that point I didn't check anything else. I also noticed that the desktop and windows weren't so "crisp" as they were under X11, although I can't exactly explain where the feeling came from; probably I would have chosen X11 even if the stylus had worked.

    I suspect that I can actually login on a Wayland session even now; I'll try it out as soon as I have time.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think Kubuntu 24.04 had Plasma 6 because it was an LTS release. In Plasma 6.3 they completely reworked the settings page for graphics tablets, and they've also changed how fractional scaling works so it should be less blurry (if that was what was making it blurry for you before).

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Thank you for the info. I'll try a live USB with Kubuntu 25.10 or 26.04dev and check it out. Now that you mention that, the blurriness was indeed related with scaling (though not fractional).

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago*
    1. If block evasion was my goal, I'd just randomize each account name, it'd be far more efficient

    2. This is an old account

    3. Hm yes how horrible, 2-3 clicks and a mere second to add an account to your block. The horror.

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