Paris's Louvre museum said on Thursday, November 27, it would raise ticket prices for most non-EU visitors, meaning US, British and Chinese tourists among others will have to pay $37 to get in.

The museum told Agence France-Presse (AFP) the 45% price hike aims to boost annual revenues by up to $23 million to fund structural improvements at the world's most-visited art museum, which is reeling from the daylight theft of priceless treasures last month.

From 2026, visitors from outside the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway will have to pay €32 – an extra €10 – from January 14, the museum and staff unions said after the measure was approved at a museum board meeting.

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[–] 90 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I heard German ladder trucks are good for bypassing this fee increase.

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago

    Someone has to pay for security they finally figured out is needed

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But I can still get in that back window for free, right?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    I wonder how many artifacts are stolen from France old colonies

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I doubt there are that many in the Louvre. Probably more in other museums.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Any evidence?

    I found this page with many example of stolen artifacts in French museums a lot of them in Louvre just by Napoleonic armies alone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_art_looted_by_Napoleonic_armies

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I've been to Russia (st. Petersburg) where entering a church would cost $10, but for Russians a couple of rubles.

    It makes sense from the perspective that locals should be able to afford seeing their own art and architecture. If foreigners can afford it and are willing to pay the asked amount, I sort of understand.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    That’s generally how you want to set up your tourist attractions. They provide entertainment and draw for residents and you pass upkeep costs onto the visitors.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I usually agree with this point but it does create an awkward spot for museums with a lot of international exhibits. Like, you did a colonialism, stole my peoples stuff, brought it back here, and are now charging me extra to see it? Idk how you get around that, except maybe returning the stuff I guess.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yea returning the stuff and allowing the origin countries profit off it would be nice. We lose a lot of history to war torn countries tho. Preservation has a cost and its own logistics. If you knew the item would be pawned off or destroyed; morally I’d like the history with someone who has the resources to preserve it and share it with as many as possible. International travelers can probably afford the hit. Presuming the effected people you describe can afford to travel.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If you knew the item would be pawned off or destroyed; morally I’d like the history with someone who has the resources to preserve it and share it with as many as possible.

    I recall this being discussed a while back after yet another overzealous regime destroyed some of their culture and heritage; preserving this history under capable custody would have been beneficial for everyone. I get it's complicated but for the most part these well run long lived museums in stable countries provide a great service to humanity.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Yea, it would be interesting to have a global body like the UN working on this with public opinion. We can always be seeking a more moral and just world.

    I’m in the USA: proof that a rich country will destroy their own history without much thought so ya it’s become increasingly nuanced as time progresses

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Given the stolen artifacts if anything non-eu should pay much less.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    32 whole euros a 45% increase?!. OMG!

    In seattle it's 25usd to enter a third class shitty aquarium, and it doesn't even have historical artifacts, and barely any fish

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  • [+] -30 points 11 months ago (25 children)
  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    Under the rules of the EU most benefits an European country provides to their citizens must be provided to residents of other European nationalities.

    With that in mind I guess the purpose is to keep the price of access to culture lower for locals and still follow the rules from the EU

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (16 children)

    Literally opposite of racist. Same races are EU citizens and not EU-citizens. This is literally about residence, not race.

    I mean, unless you consider US citizens to be separate race.

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  • [+] -9 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    You are also wrong, "races" do not exist. Racism is the belief that "race" is a thing, and deducing opinions from that. Do not use racist terminology, please.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    As you said racism is the belief that races exist AND that they should be hierarchized. It is true that the genetic diversity is too big in the race groups for it to be biological races, so the word usually is a synonym for way too big ethnic groups.

    Thus using "race" is biologically ambiguous and "ethnic groups" should be preferred, however it is still very well socially defined. Using "race" in a social context makes sense and is far from being racist.

    Saying "black people are discriminated" is a talk about race not ethnic group. "Black people" is not an ethnic group, it has hundred of ethnic groups and some ethnic groups are mixed race.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Thus using “race” is biologically ambiguous and “ethnic groups” should be preferred, however it is still very well socially defined.

    "Ethnic group" is an anthropological category, not a biological one. The correct biological term is "subspecies", which Wikipedia defines as "populations that live in different areas and vary in size, shape, or other physical characteristics (morphology), but that can successfully interbreed."

    Using “race” in a social context makes sense and is far from being racist.

    Given the history of its usage in that context, I have to vehemently disagree. Plus it is so ill defined that it is a useless term anyway. From Wikipedia again: "[...] various definitions exist. Sometimes it is used to denote a level below that of subspecies, while at other times it is used as a synonym for subspecies."

    Using it invokes all the Social Darwinism and whatnot that the Nazis and others abused it for. So where is the sense in using it exactly?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    An actually good answer.

    But what I disagree with is that the word race being used by racists is justified to call random people racists. I do not use it personally anyway

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Race definitely exists, it's just a social construct. Like gender.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Nope. Social constructs can only be made up by social people. Racism is inherently anti-social. Race is not a thing. There is no "race" of any kind of humans. Saying otherwise doesn't make it true, it only enables and facilitates racist language.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Social constructs can only be made up by social people.

    Yeah that's not a thing. It's not true just because it sounds cool.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    The people complaining are not mad about Americans but mad about up charging say egytptians to view their artifacts looted by napoleon and that's just one example why attack a position nobody is taking.

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    [+] -8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Hmm...that's what Trump is doing in america as well. Prices higher for foreigners. Maybe the money world isn't so different after all.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Americans pay the tariff, dummy

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I think they mean higher prices at national parks for foreigners. Just announced. Japan is doing the same thing.

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