In 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt moved the Thanksgiving holiday to the next to last Thursday of November, one week earlier than its traditional observance. This change was intended to help boost the economy by providing an extra seven days for Christmas shopping.

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[–] 8 points 11 months ago

Worst strategic fumble of the War on Christmas

👏Appeasment👏never👏works

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    In December 1941, following the United States' entry into World War II, Congress approved a proclamation designating the federal Thanksgiving Day holiday as the fourth Thursday in November starting in 1942. (Before this declaration, the term "Thanksgiving Day" had only appeared in presidential proclamations during Calvin Coolidge's first term, among his six proclamations.)

    The majority of states immediately changed their laws to coincide with the nationally observed date. The first year following the joint resolution with five Thursdays in November was 1944, and Thanksgiving was observed on the 23rd of the month except in the states of Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Nebraska, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Also in 1945, 1950, 1951, and 1956, November had five Thursdays. Texas was the last state to change its law, observing the last Thursday of Thanksgiving for the final time in 1956.

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    A worthy punishment for giving christmas ground in the war.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You might recall that in 1939 the US was still trying to climb out of the Great Depression

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You might recall that in 2002 Paul W.S. Anderson made history by making the first good movie based on a videogame.

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    [–] 74 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    They start stocking the shelves with Christmas crap a week before Halloween now

    You have to buy and prepare your Halloween gear by the first week of October and buy all your candy two weeks before Halloween because there will be little to no Halloween stuff by Halloween ... and anything you can buy the week before Halloween will either be no good or way overpriced and in that week before Halloween, you have to search for the Halloween stuff among all the Christmas stuff they started displaying.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    FDR was unarguably the most socialist president the US has ever had

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  • [–] 113 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    The entire pyramid collapses if consumers don't consume.

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  • [–] 79 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ironically they are making it much more difficult to consume by making wages stagnant, while increasing inflation. I can’t wait for it to backfire on them.

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    [–] 29 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I am annoyed by Christmas before Thanksgiving, but the change doesn't seem that egregious, just avoiding the case where it could be a week later than usual:

    in 1863, during the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln established the last Thursday of November as the official date for Thanksgiving to be celebrated each year. Following this tradition, every president thereafter declared a general day of Thanksgiving to be observed on the last Thursday in November. However, in 1939, during the Great Depression, November had five Thursdays, and the last one fell on November 30, which left little time for the Christmas shopping season. To address this concern, in August 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt decided to break from tradition and issued an executive order declaring that Thanksgiving would be celebrated on November 23 instead of November 30.

    Also it didn't work:

    A 1941 Commerce Department survey found no significant expansion of retail sales due to the change.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm quitting Christmas this year. No gifts, no attending the annoying semi-mandatory work Christmas party, none of this corporate crap which has encroached on a holiday that was once about family to me.
    It's not even December yet and it's already been incredibly freeing not having to worry about any of it this year.
    I'll visit family, rewatch Gremlins, maybe put up some decorations, but that'll be it. Should have opted out years ago.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    A couple of decades ago, my entire family decided we'd all just go on vacation together. No gifts, just enjoy the company. It was fantastic. Since then, almost every x-mas I go on a trip. I've been broke forever, so often these trips are just a week or so camping. People are welcome to come along, but if not, they know that I'm not part of any festivities they have planned. I still get a little pit-of-the-stomach feeling when the time of year rolls back around again, but it is far less than it used to be, and I find myself feeling much better for the coming year.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    That was always an option. Do people celebrate this differently than that?

    Non-gifting pacts with your siblings, also very recommended.

    I quit being annoyed by Christmas cookies starting being sold in September. Also very freeing.

    It's all about little life hacks to ignore Christmas.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    At that time, it was generally frowned upon for retailers to display Christmas decorations or hold Christmas sales prior to Thanksgiving—a trend later referred to as "Christmas creep."

    At least we don't have that problem anymore! /s

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    July fucking 5th. I saw Christmas trees for sale on July the fucking 5th.

    I absolutely refuse to engage with Christmas until December 12th now. I told my wife spooky season extends to Christmas day. I have neighbors with skeletons still out, so I'm sure I'm not alone.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    I wanted to burn a target down when I went there at noon on Halloween and the Halloween section was already stripped bare to make room for xmas shit. I made my purchase last minute elsewhere so there would be more candy on Halloween to give out. There's no bigger shame than in having to turn the porch lights off early because half the candy got eaten before Halloween.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Damn, what a concept. If people buy extra in this time period, it is 100% crap that they don't need. Otherwise, they would be buying it, no matter when it gets stocked. So, the way to combat an economic crisis is to produce more garbage. Incredible.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    According to the article it didn't even work - there wasn't a noticeable increase in spending.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    We kept Thanksgiving in early October in Canada and they still start advertising for Christmas as soon as Halloween is done.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Thanksgiving has always been in October

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Finally figured out why retailers keep moving up the date on Christmas stuff. Consumers are only going to spend $X on decorations and the like. If you're late getting those on the shelf, that money has already been given to your competitor.

    So, it's not greed, it's, "Want the sale or not?"

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Wait. Shopping stops?

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