Northern Ireland: "Welcome to hell, lads!"

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[–] 18 points 11 months ago

This could be improved by changing the dot colors to reflect a second metric. I'm thinking color to refer to year. Would be an interesting way to interpret frequency visually.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Hmm, apparently terrorism is way less of a big deal than it seems like. This map covers 47 years, and only a few thousand (or maybe a couple of tens of thousands) deaths (rough estimate - am I wrong?).

    Compared to maybe 3M excess deaths in Europe during covid...

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago

    The thing about terrorism is the sudden shock that comes with it. Someone is deliberately doing a terrible action. It mentally affects an entire nation.

    I didn’t feel well for an entire week after Utoya, and I’m not even Norwegian.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    The thing is: Terrorists are usually extremely stupid. It's kinda in the job description. Therefore a lot of them are caught before they can do much damage. Recent example from Germany: https://www.hessenschau.de/panorama/limburg-weilburg-17-jaehriger-soll-gewalttat-mit-waffen-und-sprengstoff-geplant-haben-v1,anklage-gewalttat-jugendliche-100.html

    I'm not a big fan of the police (except when Sting is on the mic), but the authorities are doing a great job at catching them early.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah right? Let's see a map showing all the deaths from bombs that have been dropped in the Middle East and North Africa in the same timeframe. While it's still a horrible thing to happen of course, it always amazes me how people in my country will act like a few people being killed in an attack is a huge tragedy. But then just treat mass deaths of civilians somewhere not in Europe like it's nothing

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I do think it's kind of human nature to be more shocked when bad stuff happens "here" or to people "like us".

    When we hear about bad stuff far away there's a tendency to think that's normal over there, or it must be happening for reasons, that we just don't understand...

    That's exactly why I think it's important to be aware of these tendecies/bias, and try to calibrate how serious problems feel against actual numbers harmed...

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I see your point with this and I agree that something that's happening in your own country would hit you harder than an equal situation in another. I'm more pointing out the sheer disparity between the two that is the case the vast majority of the time and the reactions around that. Even if atrocities are more common in certain other countries, treating it with basically next to no empathy (or sometimes even thinking it's right that it's happening or just a natural thing) and then something very small in comparison happening here is given vast amounts more attention and empathy isn't something I can see as excusable. Especially given how often European countries have a hand in those atrocities happening. If it's a case of not understanding the context then again I don't think the default should then just be to not care about innocents dying. I'm not expecting people to go out and try and stop it or whatever but to do more at least than just shrug it off. Just because it's the norm to have this attitude doesn't make it right

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    ...i am just asking questions, but in these places, were the intended consequences reached?..I truly do not wish to be provocative, but because there are so few examples, did they achieve their said goals?..were the goals incremental through extraordinairy circumstance, or do these same conditions exist in places where this particular "terrorism" was invoke?..

    god that's stupid, sorry

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    The Basque Country still belongs to Spain and Northern Ireland still belongs to the UK, so... no, I guess?

    I don't know enough about that cluster in the Balkans to even speculate on it.

    god that's stupid, sorry

    Asking if terrorism works isn't a stupid question. It's a very impolite question (from the perspective of people in power), and maybe even heartless, but not stupid.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    For the Northern Ireland one it's a particularly messy question to answer because the attacks were not all working towards the same goal. Pro-UK paramilitaries were a huge part of the Troubles, it wasn't just pro-independence paramilitaries vs the British army

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It's not stupid at all. many do not reach their ultimate goal, except the revenge type attacks. But sometimes their deeds lead to unreasonably heightened security measures that negatively impact everyone in the region.

    Now conspiracy theorists sometimes state that some attacks may be false flag to get those uncomfortable security measures in place. But I think it's rather politicians using the incident to further unpopular measures and please the ppl who bribed them.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago*

    I'm not sure these overlapping dots necessary represent the data so well... e.g. it gives the impression that London has only had about three terrorism incidents...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Russia:
    300+ in Beslan school
    200+ on Nord-Ost musical
    150+ Crocus City Hall 2024
    Multiple other cases with 100+ casualties.
    Something is wrong either with the data, or the legend

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Beslan and Moscow are both off the eastern edge of the map

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ok, Beslan is, my bad. But Moscow is right at the right edge

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    That's not Moscow, too far north-west for that. Probably Veliky Novgorod or something around there.

    Edit: Found this, the one right on the map edge is very likely Bologoye: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nevsky_Express_bombing

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago*

    TIL there has been four terrorist attacks in my country

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Maybe don't occupy the north of Ireland then.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Hey! Eurovision says Israel is part of Europe! We should include their terror on these maps top then

    But then their circle would be so huge, it wouldnt be any space for the other countries

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Does the GTD include incidents of state terrorism? No, the GTD is limited to acts of non-state terrorism. One of the three necessary criteria for inclusion is that there must be sub-national perpetrators.

    https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd-faqs#q3

    I would assume this is why, as the prevailing theory is Lockerbie was sponsored by Libya

    Wikipedia suggests the database isn't particularly academically sound either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Terrorism_Database

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I knew Thatcher was busy, but damn

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Are the majority of the Spanish ones because of ETA?

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