So secure was the annual contest to fill three director and four officer positions that when one trustee lost his cryptographic key to unlock the results, the error made it impossible.

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[–] 104 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Assuming they were using threshold cryptography, they could have easily configured some redundancy into the system, e.g. by requiring 3 out of 5 people to decrypt it instead of 3 of 3.

It's easy to blame the one guy for losing the key, but he could have gotten hit by a bus or lost the hard drive in a house fire and they would have been equally as screwed. This is more of a system design failure than a PEBKAC failure.

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    in complex systems design, you never blame human error. humans are fallible, and if the system doesn’t account for human error then it’s just a matter of time until failure occurs. look for a way to make the system tolerate or eliminate human error

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Normal error theory even takes the view that errors are inevitable in complex systems and that you need to design them so that the effects of those errors can't escalate.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    literally the same concept as a comment i just wrote about russian hypersonic missiles breaking apart mid flight because they didn’t put limits on how fast they can change course when going mach 5 aha

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    look for a way to make the system tolerate human error

    Ah, if only managers understood this principle.

    My motto is that "all failures are management failures." But I'm not far enough up the chain to really implement that 😅

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    According to the article they changed the procedure to require 2/3 keys, so at least they learned that lesson.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Which is stupid, since the reason they had 3/3 was that two people could not collaborate to change the results, which they now can with 2/3.

    Should have been changed to 3/5 instead.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    Conspiracy time: Trustee #3 "lost" their key because polling suggested that they wouldn't like the results.

    I have no reason to believe that's actually the case, but it's interesting that the org uses a 3 key system to prevent collusion between trustees, but didn't think about how this might enable lone-trustee sabotage.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    I've heard of secret ballots, but this is ridiculous!

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    Skill issue.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    In other news the owner of a vault whose key he threw away cannot access the contents.

    It would be way worse if they somehow were able to decrypt the votes anyways without the key. Whether that be by retrieving the key from a backup or a flaw in the system. Because that would defeat the whole purpose.

    All in all the technology they use is very interesting technically, but this event really demonstrates the tradeoff between security and convenience. Imagine if that was the election for a country... Oof

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago*

    well the irony'd be in it anyway

    —holy iambs, volume 14

    the vaultkeepers alliance misplacing the key is what makes this such an amazing onion, though you probably agree, and I guess "Cryptographers unveil backdoor to every key ever created after losing key" would be an even better onion

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    https://archive.is/wae3Z

    Obligatory archive.is link. NYT thinks I'm a robot :'). Good thing real robots still work tho

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    a manager put all his passwords in a file then set a password to open it. forgot it. made him a new account. zip file iirc

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    that's why I'm hesitant to host vaultwarden myself as opposed to pay to use bitwarden

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    Well, I'm not sure how using bitwarden changes anything here related to losing your keys?

    Hosting vaultwarden you are just restricting third parties from having access to your cryptographed data. (personaly, to me, that's always better, since restricts possibilities of brute force - currently unfeasible for non-state actors, but who knows what will be achievable in 2, 4 years from now...)

    If you lose the key* that unlocks your vault, be it vaultwarden or bitwarden, you will have effectively lost access to your vault either case.

    *: losing the key is what seem to have happened in this election

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    I guess that trustee won't be getting voted into any important positions in the re-run!

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