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[–] 3 points 1 year ago

As a Raymond Carver fan: what the fuck is this headline???

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    If android blocks direct-installing "sideloading", I will move to Apple and never look the fuck back. This is pure greed and hubris that Google thinks they have the market cornered. They all can go cuck themselves.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, obviously apple was like that since the first iphone, but if it's all walled gardens, nothing matters anymore. Well, maybe I'd try a linux phone first.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The thing is that Apple is even worse when it comes to its walled garden practices and locked-in bundled software. For example, in Android you can at least choose amongst alternative apps for SMS, etc. And some are even open source, and available in the official store. But in Apple devices you can't compete with iMessage, by policy. It's simply not allowed. Even from a technical standpoint it's not possible either, since they don't even offer an API for a third party iOS app to handle SMS/MMS/RCS. And that's just 1 example.

    So you are jumping from the pan to the fire if you go from Android to iOS. Even if you are ok giving up the "sideloading" aspect, you are still worse off with Apple anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What about those Xiaomi and other "versions" of android?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    If it has Google Play Services, it will be affected. Custom ROMs like Graphene OS and Lineage will keep working. The problem is if app developers and/or most of their users don’t use a custom ROM, it will likely push them out of Android app development. So while it is possible for some users to avoid direct impacts of this change, the overall fallout will be unavoidable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nah, Linux phones for me, I specificly chose android cause CRapple was shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Name one that is:

    1. ready for prime-time use

    2. is priced reasonably

    3. has features commensurate to this year's top-tier phone specs?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Its literally not possible to have a top tier phone unless the company can pre order like 10m chips directly from TSMC. No small company will ever be able to do this.

    If you want a top tier phone from a non mega corp you will never get a phone. You have to chose some sacrifice for freedom or stick to the mega corps that will always seem to control you

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If they start doing X I will go somewhere where they have been doing X for a long time! That'll show them!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My logic is that if no one allows direct install of apps, I might as well move to a more secure walled garden than the dogshit security posture Android has.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It's interesting to me that there is no thought at all to move to "neither". Of course, that is what they count on, people not willing to give something so perceived important up.

    I recently lost my phone for a few days. Until I found it, it was annoying, but life still worked. Of course, it's a major drop in convenience, no doubt, but I would've likely been fine without either Android or iPhone.

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    [–] 57 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Whole thing is well worth a read, but just from the title alone I was ready to write a long rant about the term 'sideloading'. Gladly that's covered on the text too:

    It bears reminding that “sideload” is a made-up term. Putting software on your computer is simply called “installing”, regardless of whether that computer is in your pocket or on your desk.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If I browse a piece of software from play store and click 'install' it's "installing" and if I do the very same with F-droid it's suddenly "sideloading". Fundamentally every language is just made up, but on this occasion the newly coined term is used to obfuscate things and attempting to paint things something they are not.

    I can claim all day that grass is blue and sky is green, but no one will take me seriously. Same thing should happen with 'sideloading' vs 'installing. Or if you really insist, sideloading might be something like injecting code to a system in a way which is not normally possible, like how some rootkits for devices work. But 'sideloading' is very different from 'installing' and installing anything on a general purpose computer doesn't include any particular tool (like play store). I can install things on my workstation with 'apt-get install' or from source via 'make install', but the end result is still that a piece of software was installed.

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    Does this mean sideloading is going away on Android? Absolutely not. Sideloading is fundamental to Android and it is not going away.

    This statement is untrue. The developer verification decree effectively ends the ability for individuals to choose what software they run on the devices they own.

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    Wikipedia’s summary definition is:

    the transfer of apps from web sources that are not vendor-approved

    By this definition, Google’s statement that “sideloading is not going away” is simply false. The vendor — Google, in the case of Android certified devices — will, in point of fact, be approving the source. The supplicant app developer must register with Google, pay a fee, provide government identification, agree to non-negotiable (and ever-changing) terms and conditions, enumerate all their current and future application identifiers, upload evidence of their private signing key, and then hope and wait for Google’s approval.

    I'm glad to see this bullshit called out.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago*

    Why can't we ever have nice things for more than about 10–15 years. 😭

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    I call it "installing software".

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Sideloading means not being forced to use the monopoly provider.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I echo the criticism of the term 'sideloading', before it started to mean just installing software, I assumed it meant using a separate device or software on the side, like a PC with a debug interface or memory inspection tools, to inject custom code into a running system or software.

    Similarly to preloading libraries into games or other software to replace functions in order to change or enhance the game or software. For instance used with script extenders or game mods. There it is 'pre' because the software is not running yet. 'Side' would be on running software.

    But installing applications (the distribution doesn't matter) is in no way side loading.

    And I really hate that the press or whoever picked this term up from apple or google and ran with it without question.

    And now, because that term is so strange and useless in that way, its definition keeps getting changed into whatever the industry needs in order to squeeze out more money and personal data, while taking away the freedom and rights of the owners.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I assumed it meant using a separate device or software on the side

    That's what it is. I remember actually sideloading apps to my BlackBerry 10 devices (Z10 and Z30) (though it really wasn't that long ago not to remember it...) using a PC with a Chrome based browser (though it worked on Firefox too with some minor fiddling) to push and install .bar files to the phone. That is what sideloading to me.

    Now this term changed, so everything you install from a different source than the built-in appstore is called sideloading, which is ridiculous IMO.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure why Google just doesn't track who opts out of Play Store protections to side load and then refuse to support anything further. Power users will be happy, they're power users. Grannies have been warned. Where's the problem?

    Block by default, opt out of blocking explicitly. Give users that choice. If I want to riddle my phone with viruses and bitcoin miners that's my problem.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This was never about security. That's just the excuse.

    This is about removing user freedom, and consolidating corporate control. This is about ensuring that every app and service you use is approved by the big G, and consumed in the way they want - with ads, with tracking, and with nothing you can do about it.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    This was never about security. That’s just the excuse.

    Every technical decision is an excuse to fulfill a social desire.

    There was a time when I was 14 and happy and saw such things in everything around me, and all the fiction I was reading often touched that trait of the surrounding reality. Those books are not considered something for intellectuals or artists, and I have nothing to discuss with such people - that is, strictly speaking not true, but I never know why some things I know and mention are interesting or not, and why some my opinions meet hearty agreement and some are politely ignored. And I never find continuations for those agreements and interests. But I feel as if that planted something deep in my head that has endured all the degradation.

    So. You should also look at things where it seems that technical decisions were made for technical reasons.

    The desktop paradigms, the platform paradigms, the OS paradigms, the ergonomics, - of course. But also aesthetics and visibility, how separate or mixed with the offscreen reality everything is. Also why the Internet is built as it is, why multi-user operating systems and Java really exist, what really is Unix and what really is Windows. About software design and why what embedded developers make when allowed is considered bad design, while what web developers make is considered rather good design, yet the former is usually more stable, secure and maintainable than the latter.

    Not just software, but why is our consumer hardware is what it is, what do we need such complex systems for.

    Not just computers, but construction design - the world now is very different from the world where that brutalist idea of making apartment buildings having a terrace as a "street" to which you have another exit from your apartment was bad due to all the crime. And also there are plenty of covered passages and malls with the same idea, except the framework building is always privately owned, having a different juridical status than a street or a bridge. While Soviet-style microdistricts, and things similar to them, are similarly bad due to crime, yet honestly the "right and good" modern European urbanism moves in that direction.

    All the choices around us are made by humans, driven by social stimuli - that's the meaning of the word "social", all the stimuli are there, and economics and technology act more like framework of the possible for the social.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I shall make a donation once again

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  • 3 comments in c/degoogle@europe.pub view that post
    [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Seems like a good place to plug the scientific research finding that Google Playstore security is lousy compared to f-droid:

    https://nsl.cs.waseda.ac.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/submitted_wama2017.pdf

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Wait... It's not about turning the phone sideways while something is loading so gravity helps pull the progress bar down?

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  • Once Google does away with it, either someone will come up with a viable alternative, or I'll just buy a damn iPhone so my wife stops yapping about blue text bubbles

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    [–] 54 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is good writing.

    In promoting their developer registration program, Google purports:

    Our recent analysis found over 50 times more malware from internet-sideloaded sources than on apps available through Google Play.

    We haven’t seen this recent analysis — or any other supporting evidence — but the “50 times” multiple does certainly sound like great cause for distress (even if it is a surprisingly round number). But given the recent news of “224 malicious apps removed from the Google Play Store after ad fraud campaign discovered”, we are left to wonder whether their energies might better be spent assessing and improving their own safeguards rather than casting vague disparagements against the software development communities that thrive outside their walled garden.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    This is good writing. Register-level, even.

    In promoting their developer registration program, Google purports:

    Our recent analysis found over 50 times more malware from internet-sideloaded sources than on apps available through Google Play.

    We haven’t seen this recent analysis — or any other supporting evidence — but the “50 times” multiple does certainly sound like great cause for distress (even if it is a surprisingly round number). But given the recent news of “224 malicious apps removed from the Google Play Store after ad fraud campaign discovered”, we are left to wonder whether their energies might better be spent assessing and improving their own safeguards rather than casting vague disparagements against the software development communities that thrive outside their walled garden.

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