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[–] 391 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I get the impression that the cops are about to hate facial recognition all of the sudden, for no particular reason

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  • [–] 172 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a reason ICE conceal their faces.

    They know what they're doing is wrong and don't want to be held accountable if their fascist rule collapses.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Cameras. They fucking hate body cameras. When it clears them of wrongdoing, they have the video ready. When they 'accidentally' shoot a guy nine times in the back of the head, video seems to be missing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Ever wonder why the uh, default cop idle stance, the at ease stance.... is each hand up at it's shoulder, elbows bent, in front of chest?

    Because that way they can very, very easily, and casually, bump their chestcam, obsure its view, muffle the sound.

    "In all forms of strategy, it is necessary to maintain the combat stance in everyday life and to make your everyday stance your combat stance."

    • Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings.
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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    easily solvable problem: losing the footage is indication of guilt. you shoot someone, you better have it ready. it malfunctioned, better have a partner who has theirs ready. if no one has footage to clear you, it's used as evidence of guilt.

    of course pussy ass lawmakers will never do that.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I believe having lack of evidence being the evidence for a crime is problematic, but it sure is evidence enough that they aren't fit for their job and they should immediately lose it. Everyone Including the supervisor who failed to run the team properly.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    first of all it's not lack of evidence, it is evidence itself. if the camera is not working that's tampering with evidence and is a good indication of guilt.

    second of all if you can have laws like felony murder you can sure as shit have this. if you commit a felony (like a robbery), don't hurt anyone, and a cop murders a random person in response because they're trigger happy pigs, you can be held responsible for the murder as if you committed it yourself.

    my suggestion is far more reasonable compared to that: if you kill someone you better have evidence that it wasn't foul play, because guess what, that's what everyone needs to do. we don't just allow people to kill and go free, and cops shouldn't be exempt.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Should be at least streamed to a server not controlled by the police, including things like charge levels so they can't claim "oh whoops, it ran out of charge!". A specific organisation within the judiciary, perhaps?

    This way they're gonna need to get far more creative in concealing video.

    And if you're found to do something that is concealing evidence, well that's a crime by itself

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hard agree. Its a non negotiable part of the job. I dont know that it would work to say absense of footage is evidence of wrongdoing, but its definitely enough to fire someone. Accountability would keep cops in line. Currently there is VERY little real systematic accountability for cops, in any situation.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I heard a bit on NPR over the weekend talking about copaganda. Turns out body cams are beneficial to cops, because they can take that footage and selectively edit and release it to push a certain narrative.

    If you've ever seen a clip on social media, it often starts a few seconds before the cop hits someone, rarely showing the full sequence of events that led up to that point.

    And if they can't edit the footage to make them look good? "Oops, we didn't retrieve that footage in time so it was overwritten."

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Upvoted and agreed, not least because I just learned that "all of the sudden," while at present a nonstandard variant of "all of a sudden," has valid history.

    And of course it doesn't matter in this casual context!

    But in formal writing, in this era, using "a" will avoid distracting the reader from your main point.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    "All of the sudden" is only valid because it's so commonly (incorrectly) used. Much as it annoys me, that's just how language works.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    "of the sudden" (1570) actually predates "of a sudden" (Shakespeare) according to my OED as squinted at through the nifty magnifying glass. But it's been considered obsolete for a long time despite having all of a sudden experienced a resurgence.

    (Note, I modernized the spellings of "sudden" rather than try to switch focus back and forth)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Can't we just embrace adverbification and agree to write "suddenly"?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Nothing wrong with "suddenly." I probably should have used it in my previous comment. It's just that sometimes you want to say "all of a sudden." Especially at storytime. The extra time helps build the suspense. "Suddenly" is more sudden in that it just jumps in there. With "all of a sudden," the subject isn't ready but the listeners are.

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    nice.

    Is there one for ice too?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No. Those are gravy Seal wannabees. Ice isn't doing anything on the streets. They are doing the behind the scenes stuff. Deputized bounty hunters are the ones in the streets. No badge, no authority, and as you know instantly disavowed.

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  • [–] 133 points 1 year ago*

    If only CSI enhancing worked in real life, we could out the asshole on the far left.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lmao let's see how long it takes them to shut this down

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    All they have to do is close the public sources of photo IDs. The tool itself isn't anything special, anybody familiar with the tech can code something like this up in less than a day, hell ChatGPT can probably vibe code it for you.

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  • [–] 148 points 1 year ago
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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Also, “Don’t violate people’s constitutional rights, which you must have at least tangentially sworn to protect and uphold.” 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 116 points 1 year ago

    This is ILLEGAL when Working Class people Do It!

    -Chuck Schumer at Some Point probably!

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  • [+] 63 points 1 year ago (19 children)
  • [+] -29 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Because criminals get out of jail and can go after their families. We had someone leave a bomb on the doorstep of a judge in our neighborhood.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm a librarian. I also work with members of the public, some of whom do not share my understanding of reality. My information is still public because I'm a government employee.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Why the fuck would it need to be public? Especially in a country like the US where most of the annual reports of companies aren't public where people can actually benefit form.

    If you work for a company that company is responsible for the actions you take while working there. If you discriminate somebody in the library it is your library which is being targeted and then they will target you as well.

    At least that's now it generally works in the world, variations can exist depending on the area you live in.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why would a librarians info need to be public? Does America require a public database of public servants?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    It's a public servants thing--the public wants to know what they're paying for, so public servant salary records are public.

    Various websites compile this information from the various state and federal sources. It's wicked easy to find information on, say, every public servant with the title "librarian" in Fake County, Kentucky.

    Knowing their full name, you can look up their home ownership records in the county real estate or tax databases and ta-da, you know where they live. You also know if they work part-time at a different public library, so that's convenient for stalking purposes.

    Edit: not that I think it's a good thing. It's creepy as all get out. If we have to post salaries, I'd much rather they be anonymized like on Glassdoor.

    Edit2: and these lists do get used for political ickiness. There's an anti-union group that mails out helpful tips on how to save money--leave your union. They even provide a "I want to leave" postcard addressed to your union leadership for you to sign, pre-filled-in with your info.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You don't need to know who works at the library, you need to know the financial statements of the company together with the base on which the salary is based on.

    It always baffles me when I try to find annual reports of American companies and they are just not made public unless they are public. But for things like non-profits, or government owned companies it is especially important as well. Sadly it is easy to get a non-profit in the US, so people abuse that. Becoming a CPA in the US is also very easy compared to at least NL.

    Privacy doesn't exist in the US unless we are talking about companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I think that's something they have, yeah. It's kind of unheard of to me. I can only imagine public servants like librarians or library assistants getting stalked, harassed, etc because their info is publicly available for anyone to access.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That really sucks. But a lot of innocent people have the police break into their homes and murder them so it balances out.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s a fair concern to a degree of course even the most fair sentences might have a disgruntled person on the other end of it but a fair justice system that serves and protects its community equally has little to fear overall. When a justice system is unfair, unequal, does not serve or protects its community that risk goes way up however they only have themselves to blame for the increased risk. An occasional crazy is just the price of being a human but if the public in general is against you, you’ve done that to yourself through your own actions

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Should be the ice agents too

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Police the police

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Putting it out there for someone to do this for cops in the UK. I can't run infrastructure but the cops terrorise out local community and constantly refuse to identify themselves/turn off their badge cam.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is it me or is LA the only part of America doing anything resembling resistance?

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  • [–] [S] 104 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think it's mainly LA that is seeing a large invasion of federal forces

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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    Since they're typically masked, I'd like to see gait recognition serve the working class for once.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I was thinking this too! Gait recognition can completely bypass facial coverings as a means of identification, but I also don't think it'll be much help here.

    Gait recognition can be bypassed by things as simple as putting a rock in your shoe so you walk differently, so when you think about how much extra heavy gear, different shoes, and different overall movement patterns ICE agents will possibly be engaging in, it might not hold up well at tracking them down, especially since to recognize someone by gait, you'd need footage of them that you can already identify them in, to then train the model on.

    In the case of fucklapd.com, this was easy because they could just get public record data for headshot photos, but there isn't a comparable database with names directly tied to it for gait. I will say though, a lot of these undercover agents might be easier to track by gait since they'll still generally be wearing more normal attire, and it might be more possible to associate them with who they are outside of work since it's easier to slip up when you're just wearing normal clothes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A lot of masks only work in the visible light spectrum. It's entirely possible to "radar" images and remove them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    oh good my phone is set up for that?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No. Most cameras have filters to cut non-visible light.

    And any EM that passes through a mask is probably going to pass through flesh too. And any EM that's transmitted and not reflected means it can't be imaged by a sensor.

    Very thin fabric, like a thin white T-shirt, can be transparent to IR in bright sunlight. But that's a fairly rare case.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I found this link on the internet and have no affiliation:

    https://icelist.info/

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  • is that just user submitted or do they have some sort of verification process (don't ask me what it would be i can only think of stuff that works with nonfascist governments right now) because, well us and ours have fucked with similar forms too (e.g. that one texas abortion bounty hunter form comes to mind first)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. But this shit will get sued so quick because “safety”

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