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[–] 84 points 1 year ago (11 children)

A coworker once told me that the South was doomed because the North had a larger industrial base. I said that sounded like wisdom in English, but it was a joke in Vietnamese.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Apples and oranges.

    Vietnamese had been fighting for twenty years against the French and Japanese. The South thought they would achieve victory with a few battles.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So weak, stupid, and with a rigid mindset?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://richardpoe.substack.com/p/how-the-british-caused-the-american

    I've seen this idea from several sources. The British figured that American 'Manifest Destiny' would mean annexing Canada eventually. It didn't cost the Brits a lot to stir up Southern resentments against the North. So they South got played.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The south was doomed because a significant portion of their labor hated them. They also had terrible industrial capacity, no international legitimacy, and no asymmetric advantage.

    It's a lot more like when Cambodia invaded Vietnam than when America did.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The north Vietnamese had China and the Soviet Union backing them. The US south had basically nobody.

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  • Not to mentioned the U.S. deployed something like 2.7 million people to Vietnam over the years. ~58,000 U.S. soilders died. Somewhere between 1-3 million people died in the war. Everyone lost that war. With deaths between 95%-98% not being U.S. troops though... It's hard to argue when someone says the U.S. didn't lose. We should have never been there, it was horrible.. but any proud boy I meet in a bar who knows the numbers is going to call that a win... Because they don't care about anything other than how many "bad people" died, and they consider anyone who looks/talks/acts different, bad people.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)
    [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I believe it was a transitional time for warfare. Muskets weren't much better than earlier technology, their strength was that you didn't need much training at all to use them as opposed to a bow or sword.

    In earlier wars, if often came down to whoever broke and fled first, a smaller army fighting for beliefs rather than a Lord could beat a bigger army.

    But they undervalued newer technology that could cause havoc by relatively untrained people. It wasn't the same as WW1 where this really showed, but it was definitely on the way.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    There's a story that says that a Northern quartermaster didn't want repeating rifles because he didn't want his troops wasting bullets.

    More likely the repeating rifles were more expensive and heavier.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    There's definitely an argument to that logic. 10 bullets in one person may as well be 1. People don't fall down instantly so a volley is likely to do little to a column of troops like Napoleon liked to use.

    But I know pretty much nothing about the American civil war, and it sounds like the north was able to produce far more than the south. So probably a bad decision.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Forgotten Weapons did a video, not too long ago, on why advanced weapons like the Henry repeating rifle weren’t adopted by the Civil War U.S. Army. Just like today, in time of conflict a lot of people try to get military contracts. Just like today, a lot of those people have poor, unworkable, or under-developed ideas. The rifle-musket with the Minie bullet was very effective. The thinking was “We have something right now that works, is reliable, and we can already mass-produce; switching to something that maybe doesn’t work, we have no idea of reliability, and no way to produce at useful scale is a bad idea — oh, and we don’t have hindsight to tell us which to pick.” The CSA, by contrast, had little choice but to pay anyone who looked like they could deliver arms. Aside from Griswold & Gunnison, it resulted in many failed contracts and few, generally poor-quality weapons.

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