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[–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This, but unironically. It is so historically illiterate of Americans to be against immigrant when everyone living on the country is descended from people who immigrated at earliest 300 years ago

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    More like 500 years. The oldest colonial capital is Santa Fe New Mexico, founded in 1610.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    it's funny how white colonizers are exactly what they fearmonger about immigrants being lol. nothing but rapists and thieves

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Of course "immigrant" is mostly a code word for "brown person" these days, but yes, this is an excellent illustration of the hipocrisy of being a settler and raging about immigrants.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Gonna put this on a shirt. Oh bby

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    People had β€œborders” before and rules or customs for crossing them, even natives. This is our [hunting ground, sacred spot, summer grazing land] and they’d fight to keep it or others off of it. What is different now is the permanence of those borders, a State to keep them, and money to arrange them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I don't actually know where I could be sent back to. Has the Jewish Slav diaspora mostly returned to the old Polish-Lithuania area, or did most of that crowd end up heading to Israel?

    Also how are we defining legal? My family changed our last name and lied about our ancestry because the U.S. was denying Jews at the time, but I think everything else was legal by the laws of the time. That's kinda why this argument doesn't hold up. The genocide of the natives was horrible, certainly, but a pretty large number of people didn't actually show up in the U.S. until much later. Are we still responsible for the crimes a country committed decades or even centuries before we started living there? because that opens up a much, much bigger can of worms globally.

    Just call people out for being racist if they're being racist, which most of the types screaming about illegal immigration are. but there are people with legitimate concerns around legal immigration.

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  • [+] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    borders are as extant as time or justice, which is to say they're a made-up concept that exists with a purpose. Immigration does have a purpose, unless we're going to suddenly get rid of all countries and go to a stateless society which isn't any time soon. People deserve to be able to have the laws and benefits of citizenry apply to them. Illegal immigrants effectively get the shittiest end of the stick by contributing to a country and receiving almost none of the benefits. The biggest problem with illegal immigration in the US is that the immigration courts are so backed up and underfunded that legal immigration is damn near impossible, forcing people into precarious and sometimes even dangerous situations. if you don't think that's a legitimate concern, then I have nothing else to say to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Immigration laws didn't exist until 1790, so prior to that anyone was free to come and go as they pleased, legally speaking.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To be fair, the Europeans conquered the land from the native Americans before they could get conquered or enslaved by the Aztecs or Incas

    The fact that they couldn't drive them away is just pure skill issue.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    The left reconstituting a defeatest attitude by resurrecting old memes (as a form of venting) feels like the avoidance of something more radical that could formulate but hasn't.

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