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[–] 107 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Notably, there is no guarantee that the Obamacare subsidies will be extended — and no commitment from Republican House leaders to even hold a vote at all on the subsidies.

Then what the fuck was the point? That was Democrats one demand. Either finish what you start or don’t start at all, you cowards.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Yeah I was willing to tolerate being thrown to the wolves as a minority here, but everyone who caved can go fuck themselves. I hope they go broke in the retirement community along with every republican who joined them

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Notably, it isn't democrats as a whole, just 6 of them and an independent. (I do not count Fetterman as a democrat anymore)

    Sadly, one of those spineless POS democrats is my own senator from Illinois. I look forward to him being replaced next election (he supposedly isn't running again).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    You won't see any of these '6' punished for it, and you won't see Schumer lose his leadership for orchestrating it, because it was waaaay more than 6 Democrats that support this. Remember, they don't work for you and they won't answer to you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    There may be a way to make lemonade out of these lemons. While there are 3 appropriations bills bundled into this package, most of the rest of the appropriations would be on a continuing resolution until the end of the year, which isn't really a very long time. So, absent some sort of breakthrough with the House, we will be in this same position in January.

    If Republicans renege on the December vote, then Democrats can go back to them and say "No, we mean it this time, put back the ACA subsidies or we dont agree to kick the can further. We trusted you once and you lied."

    Meanwhile, in this bill there are explicit guarantees for SNAP funding and protections for federal workers during the shutdown. Yes, those things were already law, but it reinforces things if Trump signs a bill in November and then ignores it in January. Those are the things that made this shutdown especially painful, and the current bill's passage will limit the pain Trump can inflict.

    Basically, I don't buy into the narrative that Democrats got nothing in exchange. It seems like they got a lot of incremental things, that will help give them leverage when Republicans decide to screw them. In the meantime, Federal workers get back pay to prepare for the next one.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    This is a very optimistic view of things. If this is indeed the plan, it still hurt a lot of people for very little, and to bank the strategy on "we'll be able to blame them if they betray us" is ignoring all the other times this has happened with no consequences to the Republicans. And most of that was before the era of Trump opening up the gates. The line used to be "they're saying it out loud" in response to them not being subtle about their goals. Now they're shouting it loudly, and nothing is being done. We're far past "working across the aisle" mentality.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Seems the Dems establishment is pissed the old guard is dying out and are willing to bring the entire country down with them. Very Trumpian of them.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This wasn’t “the establishment.” This was 8 senators, including one independent, who got cold feet and caved like cowards.

    Hell, even Chuck Schumer held his ground.

    Here’s the list:

    • Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nevada
    • Dick Durbin, D-Illinois
    • John Fetterman, D-Pennsylvania
    • Maggie Hassan, D-New Hampshire
    • Tim Kaine, D-Virginia
    • Angus King, I-Maine
    • Jacky Rosen, D-Nevada
    • Jeanne Shaheen, D-New Hampshire
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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, schumer planned this. Why do you think all Dem defectors are not up during 2026? Very much planned that way so they can’t be punished

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    This was certainly centrally planned. There's no way they would be able to coordinate having it be 8 that are not up for re-election without that.

    Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were freelancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily.

    At Thursday’s meeting, they told their caucus colleagues that they now had ten votes to reopen the government in exchange for no real Republican concessions. At that, much of the rest of the caucus went ballistic, and some of the supposed ten said that, in fact, they were not willing to vote for any such deal.

    The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down. Only after that did Schumer go public with his proposal to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA subsidies, along with a bipartisan commission to figure out a long-term solution.

    Informed observers tell me that the obvious compromise deal, which would allow each side to claim a partial victory, is either a shorter extension of the ACA subsidies for less than a year, or an extention with a partial cut at higher incomes. It remains to be seen whether both sides can get to yes.

    The mystery is why Schumer keeps flirting with capitulation in exchange for nothing. Democrats have the political momentum, Republicans are divided, and a majority of voters blame Republicans for the shutdown. Schumer himself faces a likely primary challenge for his own Senate seat. He is even more vulnerable if he presides over a Democratic capitulation.

    https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/

    This was reporting from last Thursday. Of course today after following through with the capitulation we find they secured no concessions, just a promise of a vote on the issue on December.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Let's all start demanding Chuck Schumer's resignation as loudly as we demand the release of the Epstein files.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Still, the deal was good enough for seven Senate Democrats and one independent: Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., Dick Durbin, D-Ill., John Fetterman, D-Pa., Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., Tim Kaine, D-Va., Angus King, I-Maine, Jackie Rosen, D-Nev., and Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

    Crazy that Kaine is still in office...

    Being Clinton's VP pick should have told voters from his state he's not on the people's side. Or that he was one of our shitty DNC chairs, specifically the one after Obama refused to name one after winning 08.

    His name doesn't come up much, but we'd be better off with him out of office. He's a big reason shit is so fucked.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh good, now it really was for nothing. Thanks Fetterman et al

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I don't think it's Fetterman.

    I mean, yes, him too. But why do you assume that this wasn't a deal that Schumer and friends worked out, where a bunch of people who are retiring or in safe districts or suffering from brain damage agree to take the fall?

    • Dick Durbin is the minority whip
    • Schumer didn't want to do the shutdown in the first place
    • I now don't hear anyone in Democratic leadership out yelling about how these assholes betrayed everyone, like they did when Mamdani won the primary or Bernie participated in one. It's all just a suspicious silence, and oh well, thoughts and prayers and let's move on.
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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This isn't 8 deluded idiots standing on idiotic principle.

    It's a carefully stage-managed operation to scuttle the fight for even a few crumbs of healthcare.

    Notice how every single one of these motherfuckers is either retiring or not up for re-election any time soon. They even rigged it so Schumer could vote no and take a little of the recent heat off himself.

    The rot in the Democrat party goes all the way to the core. There's no reforming it.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    'Blink', is a funny way to spell 'bend over and spread open'.

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    it's stress-induced capitulation.

    Bold of you to take these assholes at their word.

    They did this on purpose with malice aforethought to scuttle the fight for even a little consideration for healthcare costs drowning the 99%.

    The Democrat party works for the donor class, exactly like their friends in the GOP. It couldn't be any clearer.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Distraction ... endless distraction.

    That is what America politics has become. It's been like that a little in the past but now it will be the norm.

    Endless nonsense and crisis .... just crisis after crisis.

    The US government has basically fallen. It doesn't work as intended anymore and does the opposite.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm actually surprised Schumer isn't among the spinless capitulators, this time.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Hm, almost like that was the plan the whole time. They can say they tried and aren't as nasty as those Republicans (WHO ARE NOT DEMOCRATS) though right? Democrats fully support fascist policies y'all, they're hoping this admin collapses and affords them a reputation that enables those policies with greater public support.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You're aware it was only a handful of Democrats who defected, right? They didn't unanimously decide to roll over, 8 flipped and 39 are still against it

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    8 flipped and some fraction of those 39 are happy to use the 8 as cover.

    Like they did when 8 senators worked with republicans to kill the minimum wage increase.

    EDIT: Shaheen, Hassan, and King voted no on the minimum wage increase and also voted yes on ending the shutdown.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Like they did when 8 senators worked with republicans to kill the minimum wage increase.

    Same thing happened with the Obamacare public option if I remember correctly. It's such an obvious pattern but people refuse to see it for what it is.

    How many times do we have to witness the rotating villain game in the Democratic Party before we realize that's all the party is at this point. Its an illusion of resistance to fascism that protects structures of power and prevents any real change from happening.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Oh my, how foolish of me. Of course of course, they didn't all publicly concede and therefore the party isn't a liberal party complicit in fascism intentionally, it just happens to be a liberal party complicit in fascism because of a few bad apples. I see now, I should totally trust the liberal party complicit in fascism because if I do, we might be able to cull those bad apples one day, promey.

    I know what voting is. Maybe you shouldn't make a habit of assuming people are just stupid if you don't understand what they're saying.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Maybe you shouldn’t make a habit of assuming people are just stupid if you don’t understand what they’re saying.

    Centrists know their arguments are nothing more than meritless excuses, so they pretend people who disagree with them are stupid/children/shills/bots/evil foreigners.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    And the motherfuckers are killing the hemp industry in bundling it into the minibus. All hemp derived cannabinoid products will be federally illegal once again.

    300,000 American jobs will vanish next year because of this bullshit. A very strong and growing industry, adding jobs and around $35 billion (B) to GDP since it's legalization in the 2018 Farm Bill - oddly enough, passed by the same group of fucking shitheels!

    Once again, the 'party of small government' is legislating morality.

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