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Deflation signals a lopsided economy where supply dwarfs demand. That hurts companies, which in turn hurts workers. As consumption weakens, businesses spend less, economic activity slows, debt burdens rise, which then causes more deflation. The downward loop, known in economics as a deflationary spiral, feeds on itself once entrenched.

The trend also carries global implications: cheap Chinese exports can depress prices abroad, strain relations with trading partners, and create knock-on effects for multinational companies. Global institutions are sounding the alarm, with the International Monetary Fund projecting that consumer inflation in China will average zero this year — the second-lowest of nearly 200 economies it tracks. The Bank of Korea warned in July that China could export deflation to its trading partners.

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And the problem could be even worse than they realize. China’s official CPI figure — which offers limited item-level detail and is shaped by a complex methodology that isn’t transparent — has hovered around zero since early 2023, occasionally posting modest gains. Bloomberg News analyzed prices for dozens of products in 36 major cities as well as both official and private data across China to get a sense of how much cheaper things have become on the ground. We looked at items in categories like food, groceries, consumer goods and services, as well as housing costs and price changes for specific car brands.

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Across the market, company results show the same pressures: the share of “zombie” firms — those whose profits can’t cover interest payments on their debt — rose from 19% to 34% over the past five years; capital and R&D spending fell for most companies, a first in a decade; and more than a third of companies across industries cut jobs in 2024.

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Last year, salaries at private companies — which employ over 80% of China’s urban workforce — grew at the slowest pace on record. In industries like manufacturing and IT, wages fell for the first time in official statistics for private firms. A private survey on salaries, before being discontinued last year, showed average pay offers in 38 cities dropped 5% between 2022 and 2024. Even in China’s prized “new economy” sectors like AI and new energy, entry-level salaries are down 7% from their 2022 peak.

Meanwhile, households have boosted their savings to the equivalent of around 110% of China’s gross domestic product last year, the highest ever, indicating consumers are expecting lower prices in the future and heightened economic uncertainty.

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There is no suggestion that the situation in China will be reversed. Despite slight seasonal upticks on holiday spending, persistent weakness across both the industrial and consumer sectors indicates China’s prices are on track for a third consecutive year of deflation in 2025. And that matters: the longer prices sag, the greater the risk that growth in the world’s second-largest economy could slow for years — even decades.

Prolonged deflation would also be virtually unprecedented for a major economy since World War II, with the lone exception of Japan, which just this year escaped its own painful battle of over a decade of weak prices and deflation. It’ll also become harder for China to climb into high-income status sustainably, or to surpass the US in economic size. Years of rising incomes and property gains had fueled dreams of upward mobility, but now deflation is quietly hollowing out the confidence of China’s once-aspiring middle class.

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For Zhu, the economics professor at CEIBS, there is little time to waste for China to get itself out of this deflationary spiral. The government must pour more money into encouraging consumption — to the tune of half a trillion dollars — via unlimited vouchers for households to drive spending. If not, China’s economy is in dangerous trouble, he said.

“Historically, deflation is extremely rare,” said Zhu. “If prices are down for three years and inflation doesn’t come back, then people will believe it won’t come back. And that’s when China becomes Japan.”

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[–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Being japan doesn't seem like the worst option. They're still the 4th strongest economy in the world, with some of the lowest homeless rates in the world

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Deflation is good for modern economies

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I don’t know why economists are terrified of deflation, but see progressive inflation as desirable. As national banks take measures to moderate inflation, they could as easily moderate deflation.

    Isn’t this what we have been expecting all these decades, a movement towards post-scarcity, caused by an excess of capacity?

    This is the same class of enigma when they want growth growth growth, IMO they are afraid of equilibrium, of being left behind if the others keep trying to grow.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Deflation can be really damaging because it disincentivizes things like investments and longterm projects. Here are a couple of examples:

    • One of the biggest issues with mortgages is if you are under water (can you pay off your debt if you sell the house). With deflation, you could buy a house today and owe more than the house is worth tomorrow.
    • If the total cost to manufacture a car is $X, but by the time I can sell the car the market would only pay $X-50, then I'm actually better off not making the car.

    Essentially, high deflationary pressure causes people to hold their money and not spend it. It's what happened in Japan around 1990s-2010s resulting in basically negative growth in their economy - Source

    Hyper inflation is a similar issue, but on the other end. The value of money is lost so quickly that things like life savings can become worthless due to money losing its value so rapidly.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Moderate inflation encourages investment since your money losses value if stuffed into a mattress.

    You want money to be "moving".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Great Depression was deflation. You don’t want that to happen.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Both uncontrolled inflation and deflation are undesirable, I get that. My question was: why progressive inflation is deemed beneficial, while progressive deflation is deemed as the spawn of Satan?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    My impression (as someone who is not an economist) is that a lot of it is linked to not-too-distant history: the typical "go-to" strategies for deflation under the prevalent monetarist ideas (i.e. economic school of thought about influencing the economy by controlling the amount of money in circulation) weren't effective in combatting deflation in a few cases in Japan and the US in the early 1990s and early 2000s.

    So perhaps it causes such panic because it exposes the weaknesses in the economic models that we see dominating modern politics. Inflation may be perceived as more manageable because it acts according to what the models say will happen, more or less, which makes it more controllable. It seems that may be less true for deflation.

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