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[–] 133 points 1 year ago

See also, this:

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago

    People want validation not advice, even if that advice could fix their problem.

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  • [–] 99 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    From personal experience...

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Real talk, Fortnite is the only remaining reason I still dual boot into Windows.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    They won't support Linux unless they have to. As long as people decide to play along with them then they'll continue to not support it. If you give up this game then eventually Linux will be supported.

    In my opinion, every game worth playing supports Linux. There are way too many games that I don't have time to play them, so I'll play the ones that respect their customer's choices. I'll ignore the ones that require us to install malware β€”whether that's kernel level anti-cheat or Windows.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    AFAIK, Epic hasn't enabled anti cheat to work on Linux. Their own anti cheat has native support for Linux, but they themselves don't want to use it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    No, the issue is that their anti cheat requires a level of control of your computer that Linux doesn't allow. They could just lower the security, but they instead decided that nobody on Linux could play, apparently thinking that the losses due to cheating would be more than the revenue of 3% more users

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    minecraft bedrock was the only reason i am dual booting windows but thankfilly thanks to a blessing from a god, i wont be needing it for long

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can play the android version in desktop mode with the Unofficial *nix Launcher.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    android version doesnt have raytracing

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does Vibrant Visuals not use Ray Tracing, or do you mean the RTX mode specifically? If you need specifically the windows 10 version, you could try WinApps or WinBoat, but I'd be surprised if you don't take a significant performance hit. If graphics in a voxel game are what's holding you back, I guess the meme is relevant.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You can also play the Android release fine with Waydroid.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was in this camp until I actually have win11 a try. Now i my computer is super slow and all my games run like ass and I've spent hours trying to troubleshoot how to fix these issues and I legitimately believe that it would just be simpler to move to Linux because at least with Linux nobody is actively trying to prevent me from being able to fix any performance issues that arise.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This does not mean that any performance issue that arise will be fixable (unless you're one of those guys)

    But yes, this is how I ended up using Linux. I spent weeks trying to fix a major visual glitch on Windows, and Debian got it right the first time. The app store sucked (even more than now), but installing things in cli was far easier than using Windows

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am aware. I am also aware that I'll probably spend way more time than I'd like trying to fix issues. What I'm saying is that for me, Windows no longer has an advantage in that regard because it keeps doing stupid shit and has all kinds of performance problems that don't make any sense

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    You don't even have to install it to try it out, just boot from USB into live mode.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    For a large number of people, this action itself is a huge challenge

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    TBH if the person has a laptop I don't blame them. Those can be an absolute hell to wrangle into giving you access to the boot menu. Some won't even let you select the boot device and require that you edit the boot order from BIOS instead! You also might have to disable secure boot if your distro of choice doesn't support it - and I bet even with Windows 11 requiring it 95% of people have no idea that it even exists as an option.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's actually a great feature. Not suggested near enough. Unfortunately, as easy as it is, it's still well above the average user who just wants to open a browser and check their web page. I think average users need to be encouraged to just get help from a friend or a LUG, just like the late 90's and early 2000's for Windows.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I am definitely somebody who watched the first video, but not the second.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’ve always been a very fond gamer.

    But W11 as an OS, the state surveillance style telemetry and some other recent developments surrounding MS made me largely ditch gaming in favour of Linux. I mean sure I’ll play a game here n there but I don’t feel like investing hours of my days into the next β€œbig thing” anymore. Linux is where it’s at.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why'd you have to ditch gaming? I play games all the time on Linux. Steam works just fine.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Should have worded that differently.

    -W11 sucks so much I was gonna move to Linux regardless and that happens to coincide with a time in my life where I want to waste less time playing games.

    Steam has done something amazing, I hope GOG follows at some point.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I don't really "hate" windows, but I dislike it.

    However I can't really move away from it.

    I did so back in win 3.11 days, a while ago.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    just fucking switch or shut up.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    I get it. I hate a lot of things about Windows, but switching to Linux would prevent me from playing some games that I would want to play, and that trade-off is not worth it to me.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    You can consider dual boot? I use Windows to play games only and use Linux for other things that need the computer

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I expect that there would be some switching cost every time I switch OS (such as the time to reboot and/or the mental adjustment to the interface) and gaming is the majority of what I do on my PC.

    So, I don't think it would be worth it if I used Windows for all gaming still. But I would maybe consider using Linux for everything except for specifically games that require Windows.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    But I would maybe consider using Linux for everything except for specifically games that require Windows.

    That's the way. I started this way too, and as I got more comfortable well, my Windows partition hasn't been booted for a couple years now because OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has run all my games beautifully.

    Vermintide II even stopped crashing the entire system when I used Linux instead of Windows! On Nvidia BTW.

    Even though sometimes it feels like I might be missing out on playing some of the newest hypey-est multiplayer games, I also remind myself that I don't want something on my computer like the new Battlefield's or Riot Games' incredibly creepy and invasive anticheat, no matter the OS!

    ... Plus, I got like a thousand games to enjoy anyway. Maybe you'll feel the same, idk?

    I will say though, Linux starts to just feel fun to compute on. It feels like a machine that's yours instead of some licensed appliance. I missed that feeling from the really old Windows days when it was fun.

    Do a little exploring, but picking a distro with KDE should feel at home really quick coming from Windows. :)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Well, my choice of game is influenced a lot by what my friends want to play as well, and we tend to cycle through various games at different times. So I'd want to have the ability to play whatever they want to play. We have been playing Battlefield 6 a fair amount recently, so that one would require Windows.

    Helldivers 2 works on Linux but we've basically retired that for now because of some scummy behavior by the devs. I have hopes that it will come back, but it has a bad taste for now.

    Probably most of the other games we play would work (since most of them don't have over the top anticheat). I haven't checked all of them, though. It's hard to know how often I would run across one that doesn't work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't know what the Helldivers devs did, but you don't think it's scummy that BF6 requires malware, like Windows and kerbel level anti-cheat?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Regardless of how you see those things or what they actually do, it's basically certain that the developers do not see them as malware. And I think it's reasonable to assume good intentions in making those choices, because it is a PvP game where cheating can negatively impact other players. I would give them the benefit of the doubt regarding their intentions.

    Many of the things that the Helldivers 2 devs have done could be excused with the benefit of the doubt as well, but they have stacked up a lot of broken promises, and recently there was a case of very blatant deception. It could be argued that it was not technically lying, but it was obviously intended to deceive. And there has been no apology for the deception since then, either.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would give them the benefit of the doubt regarding their intentions.

    The developers are rarely the ones making the choice. I do give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's been shown it doesn't actually prevent cheating and you're refusing to let your customers choose how they play. They get the benefit of the doubt that they're honestly trying to prevent cheaters, but not that it's a purely benevolent decision towards customers. It's a trade off, and the option they're taking is bad for consumers and isn't effective anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    For what it's worth, cheating in BF6 seems pretty rare. So, it seems that something they're doing is having an effect at reducing cheating. There are probably other methods that they could use, though.

    I'm guessing that their decision ultimately comes down to money - they probably figure that other methods would be more expensive to achieve the same result, and that the lost revenue from people who are turned off by the anti cheat is less than that cost.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Cheating in ARC Raiders also seems very rare β€”and it's ahead of BF6 now in players.

    There's two issues. Cheating in general is pretty uncommon, though it has an enlarged impact on players in games with high skill, lower player count, high information. Counter Strike, for example, it's easy to tell when something feels off, so it's easier to detect cheating. The upset it causes people also has a re-enforcment factor that makes it feel more common.

    Meanwhile in BF, with tons of players all around, sprinting full speed, and low information, it's hard to know if someone is cheating. Was it luck or skill, or did they have ESP and saw you through the wall? The chaos hides cheats. However, I saw day 1 that cheats were active and working in game. They're there, but they're a lot more invisible.

    For example, I play Squad. In Squad you build FOBs where players respawn. There's a type of cheating (doesn't require hacks) called "ghosting" where you have a player on the other team who gives information about where FOBs are, for example, so you can destroy them. It's almost impossible to detect. Any ghosting that happens could just as easily be luck/skill, and more often than not is. You could assume there's no cheating happening. It is rare there, but it isn't zero. There's no Kernel level anti-cheat (for Linux at least).

    I'm guessing that their decision ultimately comes down to money - they probably figure that other methods would be more expensive to achieve the same result, and that the lost revenue from people who are turned off by the anti cheat is less than that cost.

    Yes, it's executuves making a short-term purely financial decision. It's also probably not even the wrong one with those factors in mind. However, it does long-term damage to your reputation. The devs who build for Linux get praised for supporting customer choice. The ones who push kernel level AC get roasted for it. Sure, it's doing fine now, but will they have lower revenue in 5-10 years because of it?

    Regardless, I personally think it's bad, and as such refuse to support them. I also choose to spend time and effort pointing out the issues to people so they can decide it's a bad choice in the future.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not particularly interested in ARC Raiders because I don't like the chaos of FFA (or more than 2 teams in general).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I get it, but you'd be surprised how friendly people can be there. Especially solo, it's like a 90+% chance people just work together.

    I didn't mention it to recommend it though, only to point out that it probably isn't their AC that is (creating the illusion of) preventing cheaters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The vast majority of games work fine on Linux. Try not switching sometime. You don't even need to reinstall them. Linux can read your Windows partition fine, do you just need to point whatever launcher to the same spot.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I finally booted windows because Expedition 33's performance in Linux was bad, only to realize it was the sane on windows.

    Actually there's a game, the Alters, that crashed on my desktop Linux (works on deck) and had to play in windows. There was some workaround somewhere, but didn't try.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    What games? The vast majority work fine.

    The companies that don't let you choose your platform don't respect you. They won't support Linux until they're forced to. As long as you let them bully you they'll continue to not support user freedom. There are far too many games to play that I can't play them all, so I don't really care that a tiny handful of games aren't playable. They aren't worth playing until they learn to respect customers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I almost always am playing games with friends, so it depends on what they want to play as well. We generally rotate through different games at different times, and the choice depends on what we can find that everyone would enjoy. It can already be hard to do that sometimes, so removing more options could make it worse.

    Battlefield 6 is one of the ones we have been playing recently, so that one would require Windows (at least as a dual boot option). It's also hard to know what games might be the group preference in the future.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I have a group of three who I have been playing with for years. It really hasn't been an issue for us though. We've been doing The Finals for a while now, and we did Hunt for a while before that. We've hopped between several different games, and it's not a problem. We just aren't really drawn towards EA or Riot though, which are the only western games that don't work, for the most part.

    I've had enough Battlefield in my past that I don't care for it anymore. I also play Squad, so that easily takes its place. Basically, the companies with executives forcing kernel level anti-cheat on them aren't allowed to make interesting games anyway, so it doesn't bother me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I never played any of the earlier BF games, only One (Which I didn't care for), 2042, and 6.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you like it, I'd like to recommend Squad. It's more based in reality (though not "realistic"). It's much slower. You can't sprint around and kill people. It's also focused on team play. It's the spawn of the Project Reality mod from Battlefield 2, so it's got the same DNA.

    They frequently have free weekends. That's the worst time to play, as free players kill a lot of the team play. For the chance to try for free though, it's good. Just know it's the worst experience you'll have while playing. It only goes up from there.

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