This is big. Bluesky is getting lots of traction with normies who want off Twitter. Mastodon and pleroma and pixelfed all about to become much more discoverable
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Watch then deny it cos it will threaten their market capture lol
That's the benefit of Bluesky being totally centralized, not built with any capability for federation: When they decide to add some, they can hardly fail to see that it's best to go with ActivityPub.
Hmm, let's see if I remember the terminology correctly:
Client apps have nothing to do with it, obviously.
Alternate appviews have nothing to do with it, except in that they'd presumably need to work with whatever form of atproto federation exists, if any did.
Alternate relays aren't federated unless there's some protocol for routing messages between them — such as ActivityPub.
Right... it did take me a minute to remember how the relays work. Well, when there are a few hundred of them we'll see how it goes.
Really? I thought there were only two. How are the small ones able to afford the bandwidth to monitor everything from every PDS?
If they don't crawl the entire network then most of the network cannot contact them at all? Which makes it ... not really a network. That's where federation would come in.
because hosting a full-network relay is super cheap, including bandwidth. there are multiple people who are running full-network relays (monitoring and relaying everything from every PDS) for less than 30USD per month
This news probably deserve its own post
i think the main takeaway is that the fediverse has hugely overindexed on relays being this big huge centralising force in the atproto network. And thats simply not true at all. The flipside of that is that relays also dont really matter much either. All they do is simply aggregating from a distributed network of data storage into a single firehose. Its really cool that you can do that for super cheap. but its also just a small part of the entire network architecture. like, atproto relays are not CDNs, for example, and video CDNs are expensive to run.
Definitely. Posting https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l as its own post would probably help
Well that's an interesting development, which people seem to have begun experimenting with in the past few weeks. Of course for the time being I suppose it's made somewhat easier for the relays by 99% of the users being hosted on the small collection of official bsky.network PDS servers.
Some more discussion of it in which there may be hints as to how atproto people might slowly progress towards reinventing some of the things we take for granted on the fediverse.
Really cool honestly. How big it is is probably predicated on if Bluesky enabled it for PDS'es on bsky.social.
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