• My first pick is "What If...?". In a multiverse of infinite possibilities, we ended up getting the same old same old. We could have gotten a nice, episodic, self-contained anthology series that had nothing to do with the rest of the MCU (as it was originally marketed as) but then they had to go and add a huge, connecting storyline. Not to mention the animation style could have been a bit better.
  • And then there's Secret Invasion, which by all accounts was a complete mess. A lot of people say that this should have been the main story arc of Phases 4 to 6 instead of the multiverse. They could have slowly teased the presence of Skrulls invading Earth (perhaps by revealing that some of the Avengers were Skrulls all along?) and maybe used the plot of Secret Invasion as a feature film instead of a series.

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[–] 11 points 1 year ago

I did enjoy that What If had a connecting storyline, but they leaned a little too hard into it. Season 1 was a decent balance for it, but 2 and 3 could have definitely been more episodic.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I agree with you regarding Dr. Strange 2. I don't know how you can have a whole series leading into a movie and yet still have such whiplash in character motivations.

    Wandavision ends with Wanda seemingly coming to some self realization that she's done something horrible. Then somehow she's become a full physcotic killer by the start of DS2. Even with the little ending teaser showing her holding the "evil" book, it was just too jarring and forced.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Those two are good. I'd also add Black Panther 2 and Dr. Strange 2. Both were hyped, and both of them got saddled with "backdoor pilot" and stage-setting duties for multiple properties at the expense of their own narratives. Marvel's done that all the way back to the first post-credit Avengers stinger, but in those two cases it was a lot and really kneecapped two promising projects. Then of course BP got dealt a very rough hand with Chadwick Boseman's passing, but I'm not sure they played that hand very well, either.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I feel like Chadwick Boseman should not have taken that role given its significance. He knew he had a hard to treat cancer.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What a terrible sequence of words you wrote.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thor Love and Thunder by a mile.

    What If? had a phenomenal season 1, even if it wasn't great after that.

    Secret Invasion had potential. But it would have needed to be very careful to get the most out of it. I never really had high expectations from it.

    Someone said Doctor Strange 2, but IMO it was everything I wanted out of a Doctor Strange movie. DS1 was more of a letdown.

    Eternals should have been a show. But it was well made and had some top-notch CGI.

    Thor 4 though was the most frustrating because it's so close to being an awesome movie. Just look at the deleted scene with Zeus. It's so much better than the orgy conversation. And Gorr was fucking awesome, I just wanted to see more of him. I want them to spend some money, patch it up, and re-release it. I would go to the theaters again for it if they did.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Considering Secret Invasion killed off my girl...

    spoilerMaria Hill

    ...that, in and of itself, wasted a lot of potential. I thought for sure it was gonna be a fake out, but nope. It happened, and I'm still pissed off about it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Maria Hill as a character had so much potential after The Avengers and Age of Ultron... and then they never used her bar a few cameos in Agents of SHIELD. And it's not like the actress is unknown or unproven or anything

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Eh… one death doesn't waste the potential of an entire story, particularly when she's never been a very important character even on the source material.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We got Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D because they killed off Coulson in The Avengers. Unfortunately, the T.A.H.I.T.I lab was destroyed, so there's probably not gonna be a Maria Hill series lol

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    There's no material to make a Maria Hill series that people would truly want to watch; the offbeat shield agent concept was already done by AoS itself. And she has no stories in the comics centered around her. Just because she's somewhat interesting doesn't mean she needs a series. Not that I'm condoning the decision to kill her character, but they really weren't doing anything with her.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Secret Invasion is more of a whiff in my opinion because What If...takes place outside the main continuity anyway. The Secret Invasion trailers also looked really good, promising a slow burn spy thriller. It had so much going for it. Alas...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    . The Thor series are really up there in terms of wasting great epic source material and acting talent. Ragnarok ended up being more sophomore humor than a reflective epic to fit, and let's not even talk about Thor: Love and Thunder. Even worse for the fact you know Chris Hemsworth has waited for a movie worthy of his character for so long, yet he keeps getting relegated to comedic relief.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I mean, a lot of movies had more potential than what they turned out to be. I liked both Love and Thunder and Dr Strange 2, but those movies had the potential to be really really good if some decisions were taken differently.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Everything post Endgame has largely been a waste.

    It's either "I got snapped and I'm sad" or "I didn't get snapped and I'm sad."

    They had no over-arching plot the way they did originally, first with building the Avengers, then with Thanos and the Infinity stones.

    When they tried to introduce a bigger plot, too late IMHO, Kang, it got smothered in the cradle first by starting in a movie nobody saw (Quantumania), crossing into a Disney+ show that, again, excellent, but nobody saw (Loki).

    Then, of course, the actor problems.

    They are just now trying to get back on track with Doom. Hope it's not too late.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I feel like the MCU needed to take a breather after endgame, where stakes weren't as big.

    I feel like a major problem with the Snap, though, was that it wasn't something the world could relate to. The MCU Earth is now very different from our Earth to where it is hard to write resonant movies in that universe.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Taking a breather would have been fine if it felt like they were building up to something, but instead it felt like they lost all direction. 😟

    The first batch of movies built to the Avengers, the next batch built to Thanos.

    Even if you assume post Endgame was "The Multiverse" the number of properties that touched on it were minimal.

    Phase 4 movies:
    Black Widow - No Multiverse
    Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - No Multiverse
    Eternals - No Multiverse
    Spider-Man: No Way Home - Multiverse!
    Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - Multiverse!
    Thor: Love and Thunder - No Multiverse
    Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - No Multiverse

    Phase 4 Disney+:
    WandaVision - No Multiverse
    The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - No Multiverse
    Loki - Multiverse!
    What If...? - Multiverse!
    Hawkeye - No Multiverse
    Moon Knight - No Multiverse
    Ms. Marvel - No Multiverse
    She-Hulk: Attorney at Law - No Multiverse Werewolf by Night - No Multiverse
    The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special - No Multiverse

    Phase 5 Movies:
    Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - Multiverse!
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - No Multiverse
    The Marvels - No Multiverse
    Deadpool & Wolverine - Multiverse!
    Captain America: Brave New World - No Multiverse
    Thunderbolts*  - No Multiverse

    Phase 5 Disney+:

    Secret Invasion  - No Multiverse
    Loki Season 2  - Multiverse!
    What If...? Season 2  - Multiverse!
    Echo  - No Multiverse
    Agatha All Along  - No Multiverse
    Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man  - No Multiverse
    Daredevil: Born Again  - No Multiverse
    Ironheart  - No Multiverse

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    While I think the movies are good, I think they should have had an older Spiderman. Not only has teen Spiderman been done so many times, but it would have made him a more obvious successor to IronMan and helped with the post endgame transition.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    We could have had taskmaster as a reoccurring villain. Imagine someone turning up that is steadily getting more powerful, starts bodying the heros, it could have been really compelling.

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