... But what exactly that revolution looks like and what the outcome of it will be is completely different for everyone on all sides.
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"Surely my form of revolution will succeed in a relatively bloodless coup. There is no likelihood of an age of barbarism"
Like I get it but there are 400 million Americans spread out over more than 2 million square kilometers. And unlike Russia, people actually live in a lot of it.
The 2nd American Revolution or Civil War would be a bloodbath for the ages.
Politico is not a good source for most types of politics information.
I mean it's not just politico. The fact that the US is headed for a civil war has been understood for a while now. https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/model-predicting-united-states-disorder-now-points-to-civil-war/12365280
To that 35%, I share the words of John Lennon from the beforetimes...
You say you got a real solution, well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution, well, you know
We're all doin' what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is, brother, you have to wait
Nearly half of Americans, 49 percent, say that the best times of the country are behind them
This has been true since Reagan gutted the New Deal.
Nixon was the first president to start down the path of the Unitary Executive. Ford, Regan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., and Trump was the pathway.
But this all started long before the New Deal was even signed. This started before J. Edgar Hoover too.
This is all a result of the civil war. Had Lincoln not been assassinated and Andrew Johnson kick-started "reconstruction" and giving the South basically everything they wanted, we ended up where we are.
Reagan wasn't alone in gutting legislation from that era, fucking over the working class has been bipartisan. Every present since Reagan has been an extension of his terms
Both parties are complicit in the neoliberal economic disaster that has happened to our country.
The GOP wants to go past neoliberal and not only destroy any restraint on businesses to destroy our environment and our way of life but they want to destroy any and all social safety nets therefore making all Americans subservient to the capitalist class.
Since Reagan, its hard to name a worse president than Bill Clinton for the working class in America.
Only 49% of us seem to live in the real world, apparently.
Ah, so a bunch of geriatrics vote Republican, believe the best times are ahead, and also believe the country is more divided than ever. Contrasted by, the younger voters believe the American dream is dead, and we need radical change.
Also if we’re anonymous, we hate everyone just a little bit more.
We’ve lost the moral center in this country that we pretended to believe. Now we’re steeped in pessimism & sardonic irony. Everything is more expensive to boot.
The older generations in this country have barely any connection to reality. We’re bleeding social services, creating massive debt, & the planet is clearly worse each year. It’s hard to be positive about anything in America right now, unless you love fascist secret police and drink the authoritative, agitprop koolaid.
Ah, so a bunch of geriatrics vote Republican, believe the best times are ahead, and also believe the country is more divided than ever.
It's not quite like that. Those geriatrics remember when they were children in the 60s and 70s through rose-tinted glasses. People were respectful to their elders, Technology was simple and could be understood by the layman, and the economy was great and only getting better.
Then they hear some politician who is their age that wants to bring all that back, starting by sticking it to the freaks and weirdos that made the country so strange in the 90s and 2000s.
They simply don't understand why things were so good in mid century America, and took the wrong lessons from history.
In short, they want to be the class of old people that the young were forced to respect out of fear of violence, they want technology to regress to a point where you don't need a CS degree to effectively use it, and they want their money to be worth more than it is.
Wait a minute, I thought America was great again. Are you trying to tell me it isn't?
It is if you're a billionaire.
The 41% who think the best times are ahead still believe that, but its probably just because they're fascists and have a very particular notion of "best times".
I have to believe the best times are ahead. I look back at any point in US history and there was more hatred for different people, more formal oppression of those people, more imperialist aggression. Maybe, there were times when certain segments of the white male population could get material goods more easily, but that was often at the cost of just just accepting poverty for everyone else. Not to mention literal famine and plagues.
There's a whole world of people out there making shit better all the time. Curing incurable diseases, building alternatives to fossil fuels, converting crowded streets to greenways. There's a lot of political pressure trying to preserve the bad old ways, even trying to bring back long-forgotten plagues, but we are still finding better ways to do things despite those malicious fucks.
Just one more moron to steer the ship around. Trust me. One more braindead criminal.
We know. Problem is, a third of us thinks the solution is killing the other third and the rest can't be bothered. As the famous saying goes.
The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference.
And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.
Elie Wiesel
You had me until the faith part. In my experience indifference is not the opposite of faith, compassion is.
Wiesel felt very strong connection to his Jewish faith for obvious reasons
I’m out of work. Someone from our church gave us $1000 to get by, and another person gave me $200 this morning. We had a member of our choir and AA group talk about gratitude this morning. Our reverend also talked about her AA experience & speak on gratitude.
I’m a Unitarian Universalist. It’s not the religion you’re used to. But as someone that was an angry atheist for ~25 years, I get the critique of faith.
Wishing you much love & compassion homie.
Good quote, I’m gonna need to read some of his works. Any recommendations?
I bet the person at the tavern at 10 am with a plastic fry basket full of opened pull tabs thinks better times are just around the corner too.
Not gonna get that far, other countries are holding less and less US debt as colateral which is unfortunately an even worse problem.
Those people are probably so deluded and have heads so full of Faux mush that they think medbeds are a real thing.
Don't they get it yet? The United States is over. That country doesn't exist anymore.
It's 100% certain pedonald is looking for a way to rename the country after him and at least 40% of the population would be ok with it. I would suggest TPNA, Trump's Pedo-Naziland of America, or something similar.
It 100% has to have his name on it in golden letters. Otherwise what's even the point.
Ah geez, I meant that the Constitution is irreparably broken, and that the nation it created is gone, but yeah, you're right. I hadn't even thought about him trying to rename the nation that we have now, but it makes total sense.
Mike Judge is a time traveler and idiocracy was a documentary.
That’s not true at all.
In Idiocracy, the president and his cabinet put their smartest people (well, person) in charge with zero pushback and listened to and trusted expert opinion. When a policy failed (Brawndo went out of business and took the economy with it), there was swift punishment for those directly responsible, and when policy succeeded (crops were growing), they quickly pivoted and elevated those responsible. In Idiocracy, the most competent people were put in charge.
What we have is MUCH worse; people stupid and short-sighted enough to destroy everything in the name of ego and greed, and just smart enough to be successful in their destruction of our societies, governments and planet.
I would much rather be in Idiocracy if I’m being honest. At least those people were trying their best; can’t fault them for that.
I'd sell my country out for a few hundred thousand and a plane ticket to Europe ... if I had anything to sell.
More than half of Harris voters, 51 percent, say that America is not a functioning democracy, while 52 percent of Trump voters take the opposite view and say the U.S. is a model.
I'm amazed only half think America is not a functioning democracy. American "democracy" is totally broken.
They're talking about voters. Most people didn't.
1/3 didn't. That's not good, but it's not most people.
It's also the highest voter participation we have ever had in the history of our country
Only 25% of the country voted during the Great Depression
This is more than a little bit wrong.
Voter Turnout in Presidential Elections | The American Presidency Project https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections
You could say it's broken. I'd say it doesn't really exist and only ever appeared to when those pulling the levers wanted it to seem that way.
Same people who think peaceful protest at this point in time will yield results.
And how many of that 35% are willing to take the risk of it becoming a civil war?
The civil war is inevitable and has already started. The instigators are being hired by ICE.
How many of the 65% are happy to do nothing as the fascists keep winning?
I'd say its about 99.9% of both groups. I mean, Trump got elected, and no one stopped it. Americans can't be that attatched to a functioning democracy. Or human rights. Or not having a rapist treasonous dementia ridden piece of shit steering our country into the plantery core. Off hand, I can only think of about 4 people who id consider the true americans of this generation, and i think all four of those people are right wingers sadly. As much as i hate right wingers, it does seem like if the country is ever to be improved, itll be a lone right winger to do it.
There was a group of anarchists who ambushed an ICE facility and shot them.
The media quickly buried that story, which always makes me laugh when I hear how Libs say not to use violence as Trump is only waiting for an excuse. Yet when he got the perfect excuse, it’s all crickets.
Really? Im going to have to look into that, thats possibly the most inspiring news ill hear this week.
Edit: Alvarado, Texas (July 4, 2025): A group of around 10 individuals, described by prosecutors as a "North Texas Antifa Cell" and "insurrectionary anarchists", ambushed the Prairieland ICE Detention Facility. They used fireworks as a distraction, vandalized vehicles, and opened fire on responding officers with semiautomatic rifles, injuring one local police officer in the neck. Two men, Cameron Arnold and Zachary Evetts, have been indicted with terrorism-related charges, the first time such charges have been applied in this manner to alleged Antifa followers. Portland, Oregon (June 2025): A mob of protesters breached the local ICE facility after a "No Kings" march, injuring four federal officers. Rioters in black clothing used a makeshift battering ram to break a glass door and forcibly entered the building. Federal agents deployed tear gas and smoke bombs to secure the facility, and several arrests were made. Broadview, Illinois (September-October 2025): Protests outside the Broadview ICE facility escalated into violence, with protesters allegedly attacking officers, ramming vehicles, and throwing objects. An anarchist website targeting ICE agents and facilities was also identified in the Chicago area.
Thats awesome! Im not sure how i feel about the local cops catching some collateral, but on the other hand ACAB especially if youre allying with ICE, so I don't feel too bad.
But also, attacking ICE is just a reactionary measure. ICE and their facilities can be replaced, for any semblance of results youd need to deal with the root issue that results in the symptom of ICE.
Just about everything about this comment is factually incorrect. There were two incidents. In the first, a group of people (allegedly) were setting off fireworks and spray-painting vehicles, fled from responding local police, and one of the group shot at them and injured an officer. In the second incident, a disturbed individual fired and killed a detainee, injuring two others. Then he killed himself.
So, no anarchists, no ICE personnel shot, and it was easy to find the news stories about both incidents. ICE has shot several people, and begun using more violent tactics, so it would at appear that they are escalating.
How fucking wrong can you be?
They used fireworks to lure out officers from the Prairieland ICE facility and shot 3 of them with rifles. Them being Anarchists is also well established, one of them even being a prior member of the John Brown Gun Club involved in an earlier incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Alvarado_ICE_facility_attack
I read several news pieces about the incident. You should read the Wikipedia article when linking it. One local police officer was wounded, no ICE personnel were shot. Three detainees were shot in a separate incident in Dallas. The John Brown Gun Club isn't anarchist. So, as I said, no anarchists, no ICE personnel shot, it was easy to find news stories (and a Wikipedia article) about the incident, and ICE is escalating their violent tactics.
I had already posted the exact story at the time he posted his comment. Its literally the comment above his lol. Wild.
and how does the distribution of gun-ownership fall between these two groups of people?
Much closer than you would probably expect. The left just doesn't make it their whole personality.
The demographics of gun ownership in the U.S. | Pew Research Center https://share.google/Pz2KRohaJ1GEqWMEV
" There are also significant differences across parties, with Republican and Republican-leaning independents more than twice as likely as Democrats and those who lean Democratic to say they own a gun (44% vs. 20%)."
Everybody says they want a revolutions, but nobody wants to take responsibility for the inevitable civil war that follows. -I don't remember where I heard that but it seems relevant here.
we should just take a state, like Arizona, and set a date to ship all the folks willing to fight and let them duke it out.
no guns, no blades, just fists and legs. you don't get food or water either. when you give up you can be reintroduced to society or continue living in the Arizona hellscape of your own creation.

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