Oh my nobody could have seen this coming. (Sarcasm)
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Take off the masks, you fucking cowards
Criminals posing as US immigration officers have carried out robberies, kidnappings, and sexual assaults in several states,
I'd need to see some exceptionally compelling evidence to be convinced they weren't actually just ICE officers doing this.
And later in the story...
A senior ICE official tells WIRED: “Anyone caught impersonating themselves as a federal immigration agent will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Impersonating a federal immigration officer endangers public safety and erodes trust in law enforcement.”
Only the bootliquors still have any trust remaining. Fucking trust. Lol
I worry that they'll claim wearing a mask is "impersonating a federal immigration officer", especially when it's bad enough the protests happen in earnest.
We've reached a point where lawlessness is being championed by both the law and criminals. Add to that we have elected a felon/pedophile president. What a time to be alive - sigh.
agreed its too suspicious they are not ice, they would doing it in red areas to, which they arnt.
Organized gangs finally had their lightbulb moment?
Well, that assumes “organized gang” and “ICE” are mutually exclusive….
Don't trash "organized gangs", they're better at what they do than ICE
In Cyberpunk, the NCPD is basically just another gang. More organized than the Valentinos or Tiger Claws, but pretty much the same by the end of the day.
In real life though, ICE seems to be a lot like a gang too. Have they pivoted to drugs and violent extortion yet? You know, if you smuggle guns and slaves, you can make a lot of money?
More like white supremacists realized they could kidnap and kill immigrants with a lower chance of being caught.
And agents who don't do this, or do other illegal acts should be dealt with. Right? Hello?
You can only win a gun fight if you have superior numbers and firepower. Otherwise it's just certain death for the assaulted.
We need to bring back the concept of a citizen militia.
Drones and payloads. Guns are last century.
making guncotton at home is not that hard but then i remembered its US so you can probably go buy gunpowder by the gallon from your local walmart or something
Yeah. Having watched a good amount of Ukraine footage I now flinch whenever I hear buzzing sounds. We are going to have a generation of people afraid of the open air.
Republicans better think about inside only events. No one even needs line of sight.
Disagree, initiative and proper cover can really even the odds. Ymmv.
A half dozen people in every neighborhood ready to roll on ICE as soon as they show up would force a new conversation pretty fucking quick.
Some of them are probably real ICE.
Plausible deniability.
Reports of a masked ICE Agent murdering an individual filming an ICE raid, then fleeing the scene. "That wasn't an actual ICE agent. Don't worry, it's... 'under investigation' and we'll never release any information about the incident ever again."
I always thought protesters should wear jeans or tan tactical pants, boots, vest and plate ($35-50 from Amazon), a tacticool utility belt ($20-30 from amazon), helmet ($30 from amazon) a black Balaclava Ski Mask ($6), with sunglasses. On the right chest have a random ID number like "A462". Slap an American flag patch (or a Police gang patch with the blue line).
You could even throw in a functional gas mask for $50
These ICE creeps don't have a proper issued uniform. They bought their shit off amazon as well. I saw one dude who looked like he was wearing airsoft/paintball stuff.
Can you imagine the confusion if everyone dressed in tacticool? Those untrained ICE idiots would be completely lost.
The JR "Bob" Dobbs mantra - "If you act like a dumb shit, they'll treat you like an equal".

Wow, I have not seen a church of the sub genius reference in almost 20 years.
Wow, I have not seen a church of the sub genius reference in almost 20 years.
Well, that's probably just part of the Pink Conspiracy. They've been stealing your slack.
They just had a cool doc about them come out not that long ago. Sadly, the podcast/Hour of Slack has come to an end:
https://archive.org/details/hourofslack
The Hour of Slack was produced weekly since 1985 by REV. IVAN STANG (PO Box 807, Glen Rose, Texas, 76043, USA) -- more years than Johnny Carson or David Letterman were on the air. The show was discontinued in June, 2022; host Rev. Stang simply got burned out after 37 years of weekly shows. His hearing loss wasn't helping either.
there was a analog horror/ARG on youtube that used some of their stuff i think its been a few years now.
Yup.
It would be VERY easy to infiltrate them while they're out in the field. Just surround them with people looking just like them. They'd have no option but to retreat.
I would, but with my luck that would be the day everyone decides enough is enough and they start beating the dogshit out of every ice agent lol
And do this on Halloween so they can't arrest you for impersonating an officer either! #lifeHacks
Sorry 🤭
EDIT: Oh, wait... no, wait a minute... does the fact that they don't have an officially issued uniform really mean that technically you could argue in court that you were not impersonating an officer? That. Is. Wildly stupid of them if true.
As long as you had nothing on your "uniform" that said Police or had a badge of any sort, they would be hard pressed to charge you with anything. If they nabbed you, and you weren't black bagged to a blackzone and disappeared, you could always say you arrived to protest wearing a helmet, plate carrier, gas mask because of the documented law enforcement violence towards citizens. The pouches and utility belt could contain things like first aid supplies.
Yeah, as everyone knew would happen when the cowards began hiding their identities and acting like a secret police on amfetamins.
hah they're not going to ID themselves. these cowards can't even do their "jobs" without covering their faces because they're so scared.
So we're allowed to shoot them in self defense now if they don't ID?
The fact that this isn't an every day occurrence confuses the shit out of me.
Oh, oh, I know! How about they release an app, or a website, where we can take a picture of the face of any of these Agents, and it will confirm if they're actually one or not.
On a serious note, it would be very useful to have a better system of confirming who is an actual agent or not. Something like plugging their badge number into a website and they have to confirm a daily code or similar.
This just tells me that the "real" ICE agents, are doing criminal stuff and the FBI are just getting in front of that. What did they think would happen when you give the otherwise unemployable a badge and a gun, and empower them?
There was a difference?
One is a group of despicable masked bandits who instill fear, destroy livelihoods, and operate outside the confines of the legal system
The other group are criminals
Maybe they could go after the real criminals then?
Immigration laws are civil, not criminal. Undocumented immigrants aren’t criminals.
you saying I'm misunderstanding something doesn't make it true.
As it stands there's 2 situation in which imigration could lead to criminal charges- one is re-entering after deportation. This really doesn't happen. The other is entering at a place or time not designated. This also really doesn't happen. (The people crossing the border are being "caught" by Border Patrol officers because they sit down and wait to be caught, and then invoke their right to seek asylum. something which is legal.)
neither of these are happening. Immigration court isn't even able to try a criminal case, because immigration law is not criminal law.
You comfortable with how it's being enforced currently?
Up until it personally affects them, yes, they will be. Condescendingly judgemental pricks are always too short-sighted to ever imagine they'd possibly be subject to their own bullshit hatred.
Historically, those who have been anti-immigration (and almost always nativist) have found themselves on the backfoot of contemporary history; choked and fetted by their own irrational hatred. Oftentimes, they've served as phenomenal kindling to their own demise.
Just another bloated body to be sloughed off.
Based on their brief comment history, yes. Another day, another new account to block (not yours lol).
Then stop whining and sign up as a Brownshirt and tell them how it's done.
And there's always room in the top if you are good at brown nosing.
No one is illegal on stolen land.
The moral justification for upending people's lives or worse based on the circumstances of their birth and what paperwork they've been able to complete?
I don’t know, and yet ice constantly fucks it up
At this rate someone's going to feel legally justified to defend themselves and others with lethal force from potential criminals.
Put me on a jury, and I will let people who crush ICE go free.
If so, you should never post about it online. That's the kind of thing that jury selection software is meant to find
Honestly, the jury selection process is stupid. It depends on people to either live under a rock, or to lie about their character. Our jurors should be informed on the world and have opinions. Fairness achieved through witless conformity is justice by committee.
If we want better trials, getting rid of one-sided testimonials like the grand jury process, would be a much better way. It is weird how prosecutors get to put forward only their viewpoint, while the defense can't. Randomly splitting the jury in half to listen to the defense and prosecution's argument, then having each half hear the other side's story, would be a better approach IMO. That removes the first-mover advantage to story telling. Also, a 20 minute snack and drink break for each session, to remove grouchiness as a factor.
That is the problem. If they kill a criminal it will be considered self defense. If they kill an agent, it will not
Also, if they are ice and they use lethal force, ice will use lethal force too and argue it was self defense
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