cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/56877027

The article itself is from August, but after seeing Flock cameras at a local Lowe's store that were missing from the DeFlock map, I thought it'd be worth bringing increased attention to such companies contributing to the propagation of Flock cameras. If there's a Home Depot or Lowe's near you that's not on the DeFlock map already, it might just not have been added yet.

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[–] 27 points 1 year ago

It's almost as if the world would be better off if those Flock cameras with the solar panels and the flashing lights were all vandalized and destroyed...

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'll never shop there again

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I’d been boycotting Home Depot because of their trump support, but Lowe’s was the alternative. There are some tiny little Ace Hardware stores, but they never have what I need and offer to order it with a week or so of lag time. Amazon is faster, but also, fuck Amazon.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was once an upon a time reasonable to boycott. Now look, as your options dwindle to fascist supporter A, B, or C. That, or a single alternative who can’t actually meet your consumption needs. This is a problem that has gotten worse with time and will continue to get worse so long as nothing is done. Imagine a world where all your options for water are Nestle and similar. We can argue on the specifics, but that’s the general consumer dystopia we’re clearly headed towards. Our way of life has been compromised.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Same re:HD and Lowe's. My nearest Lowe's has three of these cameras in their parking lot. They not only spy on you but they flash their lights and play audio messages at you too. In the fine print of the Lowe's "Pro" membership (it's really a loyalty program and anyone can sign up) they ask you to explicitly agree to Flock surveillance and to agree that you have no rights to/over the data they collect. I avoid Lowe's when I can now - clearly they have no respect for their customers and their prices/selection are no better than elsewhere.

    The deflock site doesn't show any cameras at my closest HD but I don't know if this means that they respect their customers slightly more than Lowe's or if it means the site just hasn't been updated yet. I'll have to make a point of looking the next time I'm up that way. Yeah, there aren't a whole lot of good alternatives to BigBoxHomeStores here either. Sometimes Walmart will have the more commodity stuff, but who wants to spend money at Walmart? At my nearest one, the management has lately been permitting anti-trans signature-gathering, allowing hate groups to set up tables on Walmart property right outside the main entrance where they can accost customers easily. The store is also hiring off-duty city cops to stand around doing nothing. If I want to be watched by cops I can get that anywhere in public - don't need to breathe Walmart air too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The deflock site doesn’t show any cameras at my closest HD but I don’t know if this means that they respect their customers slightly more than Lowe’s or if it means the site just hasn’t been updated yet. I’ll have to make a point of looking the next time I’m up that way.

    Same here. I'd like to think that there don't exist here but I'll bet they do it's just that no one has updated the map.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago
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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    Why does a retail store need a license plate reader?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I think I saw somewhere that they put plates of repeat shoplifters in there for notification when they roll up. Surveillance state? Surveillance corporate states.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Fair enough but then they sell it too... Everything is going to be this way going forward. People need to start taking privacy more seriously.

    Most of them will walk into these retial locations with wifi and BT on

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Whoever came up with selling it (if it wasn't sold to them this way) probably got a huge promotion.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I saw the writing on the wall and just ordered a pair of infrared blocking prescription glasses, that should at least fuck up the facial recognition for a hot minute before it gets too good for even that.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Tracking MAC addresses at scale is very hard. It is easier to do faces.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Especially since cell phones randomize macs for privacy. Been doing that for years.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I don't think watches, earbuds and other Bluetooth devices do. Also typically the MAC is per SSID/device

    The reason they are hard to track is that you would need to track thousands of devices and then somehow correlate all of it. They are really only useful if you are trying to target someone but even at that there are easier ways.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hey, you may have not heard of it, but there’s this thing called computers that do this job without breaking a sweat, this engineering problem has already solved, holy cow you underestimate people‘s desire to do horrible stuff.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Theft. A long time ago I worked asset protection at Walmart. A lot of times people would get caught only after they got away with it several times. We would find out from a greeter that someone ran out with something. We would check the video, get screenshot, send out alerts to the other Walmarts... The camera footage is pretty important for catching those repeat offenders. Eventually they would finally be recognized while in the store instead of after the fact because of the alerts. I could see AI being an extremely value resource from that perspective while also being extremely dystopic from every other perspective. Such as Madison Square Garden using it to deny entry to people the AI flagged because they're a lawyer in a case against the owner.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The problem is that they need to steal a ton before doing any kind of prosecution or arrest.

    We need small consequences for small cases of shop lifting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    shoplifting from corporations doesn't cause real harm. don't swallow the boot

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It objectively does though

    These a publicly traded companies. You are welcome to pull up the financial reports.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Once your on private property, like their parking lot, is it legal to hide your plates? I'm thinking yes. And I'm thinking some quick 3d prints and motors could make this work.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In many states such devices are illegal, so if you get caught with it on the road that's probably a hefty ticket and maybe an arrest because they will assume it was meant for use in a crime.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The crime of protecting your privacy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Technically in public there is no presumption of privacy. What we need to do is end the third party loophole that allows the government to buy data on citizens without a warrant. And some additional legislation preventing companies from tracking anyone using any data without their permission.

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Deflock.me

    When i saw there was no way to get into the lowes parking lot near me without passing one, i stopped going to lowes.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Looks like I'll be shopping exclusively at ACE

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's fine, just shop at the competitor that doesn't do that.

    ...oh wait.

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    Shut up Menards people, your store isn't in most of the country. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's doing it too.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Menards is in my area and it's fucking terrible. Their "20% off" is a mail in rebate for store credit, only and it's a perpetual "sale". It never actually has an end date like their ads claim. From shopping there just about every menards exclusive brand item ive purchased was over priced and broken in less than a year. I also know a handful of people that went from die hard menards fans to "never shopping there again" over the last few years because their prices on nearly everything have gotten ridiculous compared to literally any other store, online or brick. Their website is a pain to navigate, too and tries really hard to make you think the 20% off price is the final price on items.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    So, the chance that this information is being shared with those fascists at ICE is what? 100%?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Perhaps these stores should HIRE STAFF THAT ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT. And some security.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Cameras are cheaper than people.

    They did this here in the UK with CCTV cameras. Put the fucking things up everywhere, while cutting police funding. Result - the muggers, dealers, etc know where the blind spots are or wear masks. And if something happens and you need to call the police you are screwed for anything less than murder. And we are under constant surveillance.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If you have an ebike, is it legal to put a fake license plate to add noise to the readers?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Okay, so bye bye home depot

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Dickheads. Protect your own asses from theft, vandals... but, do not bend the knee!

    I hope my local "Curry Hardware" keeps their shit tight.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Honestly I dont think this is going to be too effective without a corresponding crackdown on fake license plates. Shoplifting from home improvement stores is a big problem but the people I've seen walking out with thousands of dollars of tools in broad daylight just had an obviously fake paper tag.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If the ai has facial recognition software, they can just wait til the next time that person comes in. AI flags the person, flag is picked up by somebody in Bangladesh who confirms it is the same person, cops are called and nab the guy as he is walking out of the store. Video evidence is then provided to the prosecution.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    We need laws protecting privacy

    Honestly I think in person stores are on the way out. The amount of shoplifting is making no longer cost effective.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    My local Lowe's and Home Depot have the only Flock cameras in my county (for now, anyway).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Someone tell Rossmann.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Home Depot nearest to where I used to live had cameras in the tools section ... Which is fine, but whenever they noticed a person in view, they would turn on the attached screens and play a tone every ten seconds or so. I guess it was to remind you that you were being surveilled?

    Anyway, I always found them intrusive, annoying and offensive. I'm not surprised they've become part of a larger problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I used to install those a couple years ago as a security tech.

    Unless they are at the register, those screens don't even record back to a central DVR. Just a local SD card inside the screen itself. The only wire running to them is low voltage DC power, no video or network. Those things aren't really an issue in the grand scheme, they are less intrusive than a regular security camera since you can't even view them live at the head end.

    Now the bigger ones hanging from a pole in the ceiling, yes those ARE being centrally recorded.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The Australian equivalent got into trouble for trying something similar (without the flock integration) recently.
    Kmart too.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I've been assuming I'm under surveillance each time I drive for decades at this point, starting with red-light cameras. The trend was never going to be toward fewer cameras with everything being sandboxed and tight restrictions on sharing.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I wouldn’t be surprised if all major retailers did the same thing. Target, for example, is a major donor to the police.

    To run a chain with stores across the country and millions in merchandise, you must have gotten used to the taste of boot leather. What’s another little lick?

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To run a chain with stores across the country and millions in merchandise, you must have gotten used to the taste of boot leather. What’s another little lick?

    Love your prose

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  • Literally what fox warned about, no one should have this power. And here it is, in the hands of those already with the most

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Let me take this opportunity to say Fuck Lowes. Also while I will shop at home dept in a pinch, support your local hardware stores every chance you get. And in US consider finding an ACE franchise which are usually locally owned and operated. The service at either is a literal shock in difference to the big box store corporate hell scape and price gauging.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Share Data

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    From AI Cameras

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