It's almost as if the world would be better off if those Flock cameras with the solar panels and the flashing lights were all vandalized and destroyed...
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I'll never shop there again
Requisite link: https://deflock.me/
Why does a retail store need a license plate reader?
I think I saw somewhere that they put plates of repeat shoplifters in there for notification when they roll up. Surveillance state? Surveillance corporate states.
Fair enough but then they sell it too... Everything is going to be this way going forward. People need to start taking privacy more seriously.
Most of them will walk into these retial locations with wifi and BT on
Whoever came up with selling it (if it wasn't sold to them this way) probably got a huge promotion.
Correct that's called business development and that's who makes the most money within any corporate generally
I sort of need to keep my BT on for my glucose monitor and insulin pump 😔
I saw the writing on the wall and just ordered a pair of infrared blocking prescription glasses, that should at least fuck up the facial recognition for a hot minute before it gets too good for even that.
Tracking MAC addresses at scale is very hard. It is easier to do faces.
Especially since cell phones randomize macs for privacy. Been doing that for years.
I don't think watches, earbuds and other Bluetooth devices do. Also typically the MAC is per SSID/device
The reason they are hard to track is that you would need to track thousands of devices and then somehow correlate all of it. They are really only useful if you are trying to target someone but even at that there are easier ways.
Lowe's does exactly that. My store even have nicknames for repeat offenders.
Theft. A long time ago I worked asset protection at Walmart. A lot of times people would get caught only after they got away with it several times. We would find out from a greeter that someone ran out with something. We would check the video, get screenshot, send out alerts to the other Walmarts... The camera footage is pretty important for catching those repeat offenders. Eventually they would finally be recognized while in the store instead of after the fact because of the alerts. I could see AI being an extremely value resource from that perspective while also being extremely dystopic from every other perspective. Such as Madison Square Garden using it to deny entry to people the AI flagged because they're a lawyer in a case against the owner.
The problem is that they need to steal a ton before doing any kind of prosecution or arrest.
We need small consequences for small cases of shop lifting.
shoplifting from corporations doesn't cause real harm. don't swallow the boot
It objectively does though
These a publicly traded companies. You are welcome to pull up the financial reports.
Once your on private property, like their parking lot, is it legal to hide your plates? I'm thinking yes. And I'm thinking some quick 3d prints and motors could make this work.
In many states such devices are illegal, so if you get caught with it on the road that's probably a hefty ticket and maybe an arrest because they will assume it was meant for use in a crime.
The crime of protecting your privacy.
Technically in public there is no presumption of privacy. What we need to do is end the third party loophole that allows the government to buy data on citizens without a warrant. And some additional legislation preventing companies from tracking anyone using any data without their permission.
Deflock.me
When i saw there was no way to get into the lowes parking lot near me without passing one, i stopped going to lowes.
Yep, they have cameras at the 2 parking lot entrances closest to my local home depot. Looks like I'll be going in from the far side. Or maybe somewhere else entirely.
If this website is accurate then it is impossible for me to enter my nearest city from any roadway. Great...
Looks like I'll be shopping exclusively at ACE
That's fine, just shop at the competitor that doesn't do that.
...oh wait.
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Shut up Menards people, your store isn't in most of the country. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's doing it too.
Menards is in my area and it's fucking terrible. Their "20% off" is a mail in rebate for store credit, only and it's a perpetual "sale". It never actually has an end date like their ads claim. From shopping there just about every menards exclusive brand item ive purchased was over priced and broken in less than a year. I also know a handful of people that went from die hard menards fans to "never shopping there again" over the last few years because their prices on nearly everything have gotten ridiculous compared to literally any other store, online or brick. Their website is a pain to navigate, too and tries really hard to make you think the 20% off price is the final price on items.
So, the chance that this information is being shared with those fascists at ICE is what? 100%?
Perhaps these stores should HIRE STAFF THAT ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT. And some security.
Cameras are cheaper than people.
They did this here in the UK with CCTV cameras. Put the fucking things up everywhere, while cutting police funding. Result - the muggers, dealers, etc know where the blind spots are or wear masks. And if something happens and you need to call the police you are screwed for anything less than murder. And we are under constant surveillance.
If you have an ebike, is it legal to put a fake license plate to add noise to the readers?
No, probably not legal.
In most places this is illegal and could get you charged with impersonating a vehicle registration - better to use IR reflective sprays or covers that mess with the cameras without breaking laws about false registration.
Dickheads. Protect your own asses from theft, vandals... but, do not bend the knee!
I hope my local "Curry Hardware" keeps their shit tight.
Honestly I dont think this is going to be too effective without a corresponding crackdown on fake license plates. Shoplifting from home improvement stores is a big problem but the people I've seen walking out with thousands of dollars of tools in broad daylight just had an obviously fake paper tag.
If the ai has facial recognition software, they can just wait til the next time that person comes in. AI flags the person, flag is picked up by somebody in Bangladesh who confirms it is the same person, cops are called and nab the guy as he is walking out of the store. Video evidence is then provided to the prosecution.
We need laws protecting privacy
Honestly I think in person stores are on the way out. The amount of shoplifting is making no longer cost effective.
My local Lowe's and Home Depot have the only Flock cameras in my county (for now, anyway).
The Home Depot nearest to where I used to live had cameras in the tools section ... Which is fine, but whenever they noticed a person in view, they would turn on the attached screens and play a tone every ten seconds or so. I guess it was to remind you that you were being surveilled?
Anyway, I always found them intrusive, annoying and offensive. I'm not surprised they've become part of a larger problem.
Yeah, I used to install those a couple years ago as a security tech.
Unless they are at the register, those screens don't even record back to a central DVR. Just a local SD card inside the screen itself. The only wire running to them is low voltage DC power, no video or network. Those things aren't really an issue in the grand scheme, they are less intrusive than a regular security camera since you can't even view them live at the head end.
Now the bigger ones hanging from a pole in the ceiling, yes those ARE being centrally recorded.
The Australian equivalent got into trouble for trying something similar (without the flock integration) recently.
Kmart too.
You still have Kmart in Australia? They went bankrupt in the US. I have fond memories going there as a child in the ’80s and ’90s but it went downhill in the new millennium.
I've been assuming I'm under surveillance each time I drive for decades at this point, starting with red-light cameras. The trend was never going to be toward fewer cameras with everything being sandboxed and tight restrictions on sharing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all major retailers did the same thing. Target, for example, is a major donor to the police.
To run a chain with stores across the country and millions in merchandise, you must have gotten used to the taste of boot leather. What’s another little lick?
To run a chain with stores across the country and millions in merchandise, you must have gotten used to the taste of boot leather. What’s another little lick?
Love your prose
Literally what fox warned about, no one should have this power. And here it is, in the hands of those already with the most
Let me take this opportunity to say Fuck Lowes. Also while I will shop at home dept in a pinch, support your local hardware stores every chance you get. And in US consider finding an ACE franchise which are usually locally owned and operated. The service at either is a literal shock in difference to the big box store corporate hell scape and price gauging.
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