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[–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

The most ethical decision is to leave your cart at the top of an incline, aimed at any pickup making more than 1 space unusable. Just behind the rear passenger bumper is also acceptable.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Yeah this is the real test of someone’s moral compass, when there is no reward or punishment but you do it anyway. The “just dont be a dick” test.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    See also: putting rubbish in the bin

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I only do it so I don’t feel guilty. So it’s self serving.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In my case, it would just feel wrong to leave it - that's not where it goes! Sometimes being anal is beneficial to society.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I dunno man, some people actively vote to hurt and personally discriminate against marginalized people.

    I feel like that's a lot more definitive.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Some people also torture animals for fun. The bar needs to be higher. The point of the shopping cart test is low stakes, no one important is watching, nothing significant to be gained or lost either way--do you do the right thing anyway, because of course?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The difference is those people think they’re in the right, no pun intended.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think they do. I think they feel entitled, and so doing the wrong thing to get what is "rightfully" theirs, is justifiable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I’m sure you’re right for some percentage of people, but most pro life, lib-owning pickup truck patriots really think they’re doing god’s work and saving the world from “toxic empathy”. The less extreme ones just think that whatever the bible says is good, so smite the gays, it’s fine, or even try to save them by praying all the gay away. And the poor uneducated Facebook grandmas are just controlled by fear, gullibility, and ignorance. They mean well, and are totally oblivious to how their actions and words (and votes) really hurt real people.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Don't forget, these things become fucking wrecking balls in windy storms. So not putting it away during a wind storm means you're a full on pos. Ive seen it sooo many times.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I had this problem yesterday. My SO just left it next to the exit. Would have taken 5 seconds to move it to the rest at the entrance. But noooo im the one overreacting because ppl do it all the time. It felt like littering.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I put them back in the cart corral.

    Mainly because the business has to pay someone to go get them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    They have to pay someone to get them if you don't put it in the corral, plus it would take longer

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They also don't take up as much space in the lot and don't get blown into random cars. It's pretty clear-cut.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, I get that. My comment was in reference to the person above me, who started they only put them away so the company has to pay someone to bring them back in. If that is really their reason, they could make the company pay more by themselves doing less.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But the company isn't paying them only when they are collecting carts. They are there on a schedule and have to be there for that allotted time. They don't clock in and out every time they go collect carts.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I reject the premise. One already gained something - the loan of a cart. Returning it repays the debt.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    even though you gain nothing

    Faulty premise. If I return the cart, I do not need to navigate my car around the cart as I exit the parking lot. This, alone, is a reason to return the cart to the designated collection zone.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You also normalize returning the cart and impressionable people around you will see people returning carts and increase the probability that they will return carts in the future. Together, these increase the probability that on the future, the carts will be where I want them at the front of the store and not all over the parking lot.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You get back your 1€ though.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think this is more of a North American-centric meme. It’s pretty rare in North America to have to put a coin in to use a cart. I think Aldi is the only one I’ve seen do it in the US. Maybe Lidl and Trader Joe’s (owned by Aldi) did it at some point but I haven’t seen it there in years. Basically they’re all German brands operating in the US. Maxi in Quebec used to do it but the past few years when we’ve visited my wife’s parents the carts have been unlocked, although they still have the locks. None of the other stores there even have the locks. Even when we visited her family in France this year, though, it seemed inconsistent. Some stores used them but others didn’t.

    What I found to be the biggest difference between North America and Europe was the cart returns themselves. In North America most stores have corrals throughout the parking lot, but throughout the day employees will go collect the carts and return them to the store entrance. In France they also had the corrals but they’re never returned to the store by an employee. Customers grab a cart from the corral near their car and bring it with them to use in the store. That kind of makes more sense, in that it reduces the work an employee must do.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    There's an interesting thing I've noticed here in Europe:

    Plenty of places, partly due to corona or whatever, you no longer need to pop a coin in. Or you simply ask for a worthless plastic token that you can use instead of a coin.

    But because we're all so used to returning the trolley to get our coin back, we've all been trained into returing the trolley, even if there's no reward for doing so.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago
    [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Worked at a grocery store growing up, I confirm this meme wholeheartedly! And now shopping at certain retail places, all able body between the ages of 17 - 30 should work on carts for an entire season so one understands the shity criterions.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    What is it with every regional grocery store being owned by right winged pricks? Like I moved from a publix dominated area to a Kroger one and it just saddens me that there are no ethical alternatives outside of becoming a homesteader and growing my own food.

    Edit; who's out here shilling for billion dollar corpos?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The solution is to be so broke you dont need a cart to finish grocery shopping.

    sad hungry noises

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  • where's the question? yes

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does the cart need to be returned to right at the entrance of the store or is it acceptable to return to a mid parking lot cart corral?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The trolley return is the decent human checker of the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've always said I was going to run for president on the platform that we have executioners in parking lots who take out people who do not return their shopping cart, but are able to. I think it would solve almost everything.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I was so close to cross-posting this back before I realised

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Can't we please just kill some people?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I gain the satisfaction of doing my part to keep society turning.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There may be urgent reasons for not returning a shopping cart, but I think that at most one in a million shopping carts is actually not returned for such a reason. Usually, the reason is quite simple: poor character.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Always. Lazy assholes leaving their carts where they're not supposed to go is a pet peeve. I will grant exceptions if the person has some kind of legitimate mobility issue, but that's rare.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    I used to return the cart when the concept was "return the cart to avoid the grocery store having to hire someone to collect carts, increasing their overhead, thus raising prices".

    Then we learned, at least in Canada, that the grocery chains kept prices high after the pandemic well after the supply chains settled down. They even did a second wave of higher prices. They are price gouging so much they've never seen such high profits.

    They have also made a move to get rid of regular checkout, pushing robotic checkout so they don't have to hire humans and they can increase their profits even further.

    The shopping cart question used to pose itself as "do you help society and return your cart if there is no reward for you."

    Let's rephrase it. "Will you do free labour for a multi-million dollar company who is laughing all the way to the bank with record profits while some people in society are going hungry because they can't afford the higher prices?"

    I NEVER return my cart now.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    The problem is, that the only person you punish is some 16 year old making minimum wage.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It's not a punishment. It's part of the job.

    If we keep putting away carts and self checking our groceries, that person won't have a job.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They take in the carts from the designated cart returns.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why are you working for free for a multi-million dollar corporation that doesn't give a shit about you? Just leave your cart anywhere. Someone will be along to collect it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because I care about the people that work for them. The only person acting like a cold hearted corporation is you. Why have you let their actions steal your humanity? If you can't bring yourself to help out someone making around minimum wage and then use corporate greed as an excuse, you're kind of a piece of shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because I care about the people that work for them.

    Give me a break. You are pretending returning a cart is some sort of moral high ground just because it's pointed out you're doing free labour for multi-million dollar corporations with nothing in return for you.

    If you REALLY cared for the employees you'd be standing outside the store demanding they pay better so they employees can get above the poverty line and no longer need food stamps to survive.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What kind of 10 year old child logic is that? Unless I can devote my life to a cause there is no point in making anything better? It seems like you've crafted a world view where you get to act like a conservative asshat but with the smugness of a Hasan type loser. So glad I don't know someone like you irl.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Being lazy under the guise of helping people get jobs?? Gimme a fucking break 😂. Lemmy never ceases to amaze me

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Massive grocery chains don't give a shit about you. They are happily starving society for more profit.

    If you think taking your stupid cart back is some sort of noble deed, you're a sucker. All you're doing is helping the CEO keep his overhead down.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Always. I will give someone a talking to if there is a return nearby and they don’t use it.

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