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Students at British university campuses in China must swear allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party [CCP], a report has found.

At least 45 universities in the UK have lucrative partnerships with Chinese academic institutions to teach and award British degrees under a scheme called Joint Educational Institutes (JEIs).

The China Strategic Risks Institute (CSRI), a think tank, has analysed policy documents and university publications to reveal “large-scale Chinese Communist Party (CCP) ideological control” over these British overseas outposts.

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The findings raise fresh questions on Chinese influence over British universities and the risks this poses to academic freedom, amid a crisis in the UK government over designating Beijing a threat to national security.

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Students enrolled at the JEI campuses are, in theory, treated the same as home-taught students and subject to the same UK regulatory obligations.

However, thousands of undergraduates at some of the outposts have been required to take part in state-backed ceremonies, during which they are told to serve the “motherland” by pledging their unwavering support to the CCP.

The report claims these activities form part of “indoctrination campaigns”, which are presented as extracurricular activities.

The Xi’an Jiaotong Liverpool University, which was founded nearly 20 years ago, convened nearly 1,000 students for a flag-raising ceremony in 2021 to mark the 100th anniversary of the party’s creation.

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Details of the event were posted in Mandarin on the institution’s website, with images showing students standing behind uniformed guards as they hoist China’s flag. The university’s president, who is also a party secretary, told students in a speech they must have “strong patriotism” and “love their great motherland” and always “resolutely listen to the party and follow the party”.

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In a programme co-organised by the Dundee International Institute of Central South University, hundreds of students took part in a military-style ceremony in 2022 during which they “pledged their allegiance to the party with concrete actions”.

More than 1,000 students, many in soldiers’ uniforms, gathered in a sports arena, using their bodies to form a large CCP hammer and sickle emblem which changed colour.

“Rest assured, the party will make our country strong,” the university’s website said in a press release about the occasion, adding that the entire faculty and students sang the national anthem and saluted.

In 2023, staff and students at Southampton Ocean Engineering Joint Institute, based in Harbin, China, were photographed raising their fists towards the Chinese flag during a trip to a museum in honour of President Xi’s previous visit, according to the report.

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At least 12 employees at the Queen Mary school were identified by the CSRI as having jobs related to CCP work, including seven who were said to be responsible for the “ideological education” and “value guidance” of the students.

The two universities are among several in the UK which have reported significant financial income from their campuses in China, with the University of Nottingham generating £9.55 million in 2023 and Queen Mary University of London generating £16.57 million.

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[–] 2 points 1 year ago

Details of the event were posted in Mandarin on the institution’s website, with images showing students standing behind uniformed guards as they hoist China’s flag. The university’s president, who is also a party secretary, told students in a speech they must have “strong patriotism” and “love their great motherland” and always “resolutely listen to the party and follow the party”.

waoh the People's Bootlicking really is new and exciting unlike the old forms of bootlicking

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  • 46 comments in c/world@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just like all the other students...what you thought that just because it's an imported "Foreign Campus" that it wouldn't be under the watchful eye of the CCP? Don't care cuz $$$$ duhh

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  • Yep. The human race is fucked. Because it chooses to fuck itself without bothering to learn the ramifications of its choices first. By the time they are forced to understand it, it's far too late to change course.

    I'm so sick of humans.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I'll be the first to say aloud that a forced pledge to the nation and flag in a school is a fucked up concept, but the whataboutism's in this thread are insane. Equating natural born children in a state funded school singing the national anthem to foreign university students, paying their own way, being gathered in a sports arena to attend a pro-nation pledge of alliegence, complete with military personnel and armed guards, is not an honest comparison.

    Both are questionable. The latter is clearly far worse. And more importantly, the former being bad doesn't shield the latter from criticism. China can go fuck itself at LEAST as hard as American-brand nationalism.

    Edit: Struck out my mistaken initial misread of OP. Point remains.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The report says nothing about foreign students. If the difference is merely one of finansing, it's definitely a fair comparison.

    I agree that both are fucked however.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Reading it back over, I did get that fact backwards. Students at UK owned universities that are in China, as opposed to UK students in Chinese universities, so, you're right.

    Though the core of what I am saying here remains. They're not the same thing, and both remain fucked.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'm a very simple man. I see a media owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    I downvote immediately.

    For those of you who don't pay attention to history, The Times should have never been purchased by Rupert Murdoch. It was against UK law because he already owned News of the world and The Sun.

    But Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher made a secret deal with Murdoch, behind the back of her own government. She allowed him to purchase The Times. In exchange, he promised to support her.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/28/how-margaret-thatcher-and-rupert-murdoch-made-secret-deal

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/17/rupert-murdoch-margaret-thatcher

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I was forced to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag every week day for four years as a US high school student. Just sayin’.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You weren't obligated to do that. There is a bunch of precedent for this.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, if there was at that time (I’m talking about around 1990), it certainly didn’t come into play at that school.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Now imagine if insted of the flag and country it was for Republican party and their conservative ideology

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh you mean exactly like what Trump is doing to US colleges by threatening to rescind their funding if they don't swear loyalty to him or whatever?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What did they do to force you?

    I never did it because I thought it was stupid.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was regularly detained when I refused to participate. As I stated in an earlier comment, this was a private school that felt entitled to be forceful about things like this. I don’t know if the situation was different at the area public schools at that time. BTW, this was 35 years ago, in case that’s relevant.

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    Is forced the right word? Maybe. Did they beat me? No. I was certainly compelled to do it and punished whenever I didn’t. I went to a private school that regularly expelled students for things like causing disorder. That didn’t happen to me although I was retained after school day after day when I had enough stamina to resist the brainwashing. This went on for years.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    No person should have to pledge loyalty to the party to graduate. I don't think you could sue for this in China. The party controls everything.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This is true for ALL campuses in China. Joint programs are not excepted.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Our loyalty oaths are good and proper. Their obedience pledges are godless and tyrannical

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What loyalty oaths do we have?

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    Yeah I remember when I finished university in Australia and they asked us to pledge allegiance to the ruling party in a loyalty oath before anyone could graduate.

    Wait.. no i don't because that never happened, and this is an obvious false equivalence between the west and China.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    A similar policy is applied when Chinese students are sent abroad. There is strong evidence across countries that Chinese students, before sending to their universities in their destination countries, are forced to a 'loyalty plea".

    The central commitment is one of absolute allegiance to the Chinese state, as students, according to several reports like this one,

    "shall consciously safeguard the honor of the motherland, (and) obey the guidance and management of embassies (consulates) abroad." This includes reporting to the Chinese embassy or the nearest Chinese consulate within ten days of their arrival in Germany and maintaining "frequent contact."

    Human Rights Watch reports that [China’s long reach of repression undermines academic freedom at Australia’s universities](Understand the Fear We Have”):

    Threats to and limitations on academic freedom at Australian universities stem from China-related pressures and documented cases of harassment, intimidation, and censorship of students and academics from China, and faculty members who criticize the government or express support for democracy movements. These corrosive dynamics set in motion considerable self-censorship.

    Students said the fear of fellow students reporting on them to the Chinese consulate or embassy and the potential impact on loved ones in China led to stress, anxiety, and affected their daily activities. Fear that what they did in Australia could result in Chinese authorities punishing or interrogating their parents back home weighed heavily on the minds of every pro-democracy student interviewed. It was a constant concern that had to be evaluated before decisions were made of what to say, what they could attend, and even with whom they were friends. - [Emphasis mine.]

    This year, Harvard’s scandal exposed Chinese students’ loyalty also in the U.S., highlighting that Chinese students act as CCP proxies, monitoring or suppressing dissent on U.S. campuses, as seen in incidents like the disruption of a Uyghur panel at Brandeis or harassment of dissidents.

    Several countries (such as Sweden and Germany, as far as I remember) have already cancelled the cooperation with the the China Scholarship Council (CSC) over these and other practices.

    You'll find it easy to find more reports across the web.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Isn't that just like regular school? American schools students have to do all sorts of patriotic nationalist hoo ha

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    US schools are headed in a similar direction.

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    Uhh what? No one is doing this in the USA. The Republican party is trying to with their fascist bullshit agenda, but we're not there and are fighting it and the resistance is growing daily.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Uk pladged alligance to Israel too

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You know the empire is scared when their scathing anti-China hit pieces claiming massive brainwashing have banger pictures such as:

    Seriously? Is anyone buying this?

    It's pretty clear given China's massive successes in elevating people out of poverty, solving homelessness, and electricity generation, that the American empire has fallen woefully behind, and hit pieces like these serve no purpose other than to manufacture consent for anti-China narratives. I encourage any skeptics to join Rednote for literally just one day.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Rednote is a proprietary app-only non-federated social network subject to the censorship of a totalitarian government, China. It blocks discussion of 6/4, Free Hong Kong, Uyghur genocide, and probably all the other stuff normally censored in China. I encourage any skeptics to visit the Chinese Wikipedia from within China.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    YOUR SOCIAL CREDIT HAS INCREASED

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.

    According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".

    https://merics.org/en/comment/chinas-social-credit-score-untangling-myth-reality

    You must feel pretty stupid right now.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    from wikipeida:

    The future of digitization in China – from industrial upgrading (Made in China 2025,[9][10] e-mobility) and the internet economy[11] (e-commerce) to big-data enabled social monitoring[12] (Social Credit System, IT-backed authoritarianism, Digital Leninism[13])

    you must feel pretty stupid right now.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    It's pretty clear given China's massive successes in elevating people out of poverty, solving homelessness

    If you call herding the homeless population into camps and abusing them for their labour, "elevating" them, and "solving homelessness," I have a bridge to sell you.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Daily reminder that The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    This is the same guy that attempted to blackmail John Major:

    https://www.channel4.com/news/major-denies-sun-editor-abused-him-after-black-wednesday

    This is the same guy that hired thugs to go after Gordon Brown:

    https://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58767_Page2.html

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gordon-brown-murdoch-paper-employed-criminals/

    This is the same guy that created this headline a few days before the Brexit referendum:

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Aren't these consenting adults going out of their way to attend a school in China? Isn't doing normal Chinese stuff just expected?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_Education_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

    It's hardly a secret.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    This isn't anything strange in China. Basically any group of people are generally encouraged to show patriotism. It may be a bit concerning if they were expecting overseas students there to pledge allegiances, but I don't believe that's the case.

    Also doesn't the USA require it's kids pledge allegiance to the flag? I think it's strange that the United Kingdom doesn't do this unless you're getting a job such as police, military, judge, etc where you have to pledge allegiance to His Majesty the King.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    The USA and China are outliers when it comes to requiring public displays of loyalty to the state, this isn't normal behaviour and shouldn't be encouraged.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I've never seen it, but my former French teacher said that when they watch football games in France, it's expected to stand up and sing along to the Marseillaise with a hand on your heart.

    And in Germany, it wasn't uncommon to play the national anthem in a disco at midnight.

    Every nation on the planet demands patriotism. Some nations are just less subtle about it than others.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Please don't conflate singing a national anthem with forcing children to swear allegiance to the state.

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    Done daily, done to children, part of the education framework, for a lot of teachers is not optional..... This just on the top of my head

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    When and where do you think people learn their respective national anthems?

    For me: I think it was in third grade...

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    But are they? I know they also do the same in Türkiye. If we are that dedicated we could research a list, another commenter mentioned in Germany discos play the anthem at the end. The UK used to have it play at the end of TV broadcasting and in cinemas. Now it's relegated to 1am on one BBC radio station.

    this isn't normal behaviour and shouldn't be encouraged.

    By what standard and authority? Your white culture? You may be accidentally straying into white supremacist territory, here.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    By what standard and authority? Your white culture? You may be accidentally straying into white supremacist territory, here.

    My eyeballs just rolled so hard they did a full 360.

    You remember one of the states that does loyalty pledges is the US, right?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But another one represents most of the asians on earth

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    So? It remains a ridiculous statement in context.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not really. Do you have any infallible moral basis for this claim?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm not jumping through hoops for someone who believes something as stupid as criticizing loyalty pledges to the state is racist.

    Do you also think it's anti-British bigotry to criticize the concept of monarchy?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Depends. If you're British, no. If your criticism is "I wouldn't want a monarch in my country", also no. If you are a foreigner criticising other countries for having a constitutional monarchy, yes.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    So a British university in China follows and respects Chinese traditions/ ceremonies /laws and they're called bad/evil.

    But If there was a Chinese university over here and they refused to follow British traditions and ceremonies and laws they would be kicked out.

    There's a debate to be had whether the universities should be there or not, but we demand foreigners to respect our culture and traditions so why shouldn't we have to do the same there.

    The right wing media in the UK have really been going off on China recently but this is scraping the bottom of the barrel

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I remember people criticising Churches in China for displaying the Chinese flag and observing national commemorations when churches (especially our state church) here do the exact same thing, and literally say "God save the King" during some liturgies

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So a British university in China follows and respects Chinese traditions/ ceremonies /laws and they're called bad/evil.

    I'm assuming the students aren't Chinese due to the wording of "having to follow the same rules as homegrown students", so yes forcing non Chinese people to pledge allegence to the political party and attend parades is bad, whether it's tradition or not. It's just weird.

    It would be equally bad if we forced foreign students to participate in our traditions (whatever they are), especially making them pledge allegence to a political party.

    But If there was a Chinese university over here and they refused to follow British traditions and ceremonies and laws they would be kicked out.

    No they wouldn't, they'd turn a blind eye and keep accepting money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    If that were the case, it'll explicitly say. I think they are distinguishing these universities as not "home-grown" because they are being run by British institutions. Also I don't know how many British people would go to a British university in China.

    Generally China doesn't do this with foreigners- although you would still be expected to stand for a country's national anthem as you would for any, but not necessarily sing it. Teachers possibly are required not to engage in politics.

    Also, the hammer and sickle thing could have easily been a communist youth-league thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Try an "abolish the monarchy" sign in downtown London, or protest of any allegiance declarations/rituals in schools.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Uk pledged alligance to Israel so why not china too

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