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Heartbroken to learn the Pope sympathizes with the poor πŸ’” (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] 208 points 1 year ago (39 children)

Rich people go to Hell. You don't get to go to Heaven if you're a billionaire. Sorry. But if you hoard enough wealth to live a thousand lifetimes, then you have received your reward.

So many Christians just can't accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.

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  • [–] 101 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    If only Hell existed and if only it all wasn't a ruse to placate people in to accepting their poor lot in life so the rich can continue to not be eaten by the poor.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    It's a state of mind, according to Jesus (Luke 17:21).

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's weird that state of mind includes burning hellfire

    Mark 9:43

    If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Metaphor, allegory, analogy. Matthew 13:10 otherwise you could end up in prison, dead, or exiled. Oh look, we've come full circle.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Who gets to determine which ones are allegory and which are literal?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Well rich people demonstrably have better mental health as far as happiness than those struggling to pay bills or in even worse situations... So... Kinda' a distinction without a point.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Do POTUS, Musk, Thiel, Yarvin SEEM happy or healthy to you?

    Epstein or Max? How about the girls on the island? Go look at photos.

    Now consider social media influencers. The little boy that is in the iconic photo hugging the cop.

    Now consider what we know beyond the way it looks.

    There's persona and personality. They are not the same things.

    Can wealthy people be happy and healthy? Maybe, if they're actually good people and never look too deeply at the family wealth, or if they're not too developed, in certain ways.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Congratulations, you've utterly and completely missed the point about how money creates ample room for happiness. Whereas not having money creates stress and awful situations.

    Again, congratulations on completely and utterly missing the point.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    AFAIK you're kinda wrong about that. Research suggests that money improves happiness only to a certain point. Once you got the basic meets met it doesn't really matter anymore.

    People in poorer countries often live happier lives compared to those in rich ones.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah because I'm living a completely lux life. πŸ™„ I'm angry but not bitter or depressed anymore.

    Eta: in fact, despite my personal challenges, I'm pretty mentally healthy and decently happy, most of the time. I have my moments but they're not consuming me. I quit playing the victim card and started playing the victim victory hand.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sometimes I have a bad premonition that all of the cosmos is a giant hell for the old ones to relentlessly and perpetually torture, kill, and reincarnate the souls whose emotional and physical suffering are what sustain said elder extra-dimensional deities.

    No lives matter, and that's a fact.

    • Cthulhu
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The Cathars were a sect of Christianity that (at least some sects) believed God was the bad guy and mortal existence was actually punishment or otherwise bad, too.

    I'm sure you can guess what happened to them.

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Thank you r/atheism.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If not believing in contradictory lies, corrupted parable, and a confused version of history people mistake for philosophy is edgy, you must live a very boring life.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just because there exists people who don't think like you doesn't mean they live a boring life. That's a bit mean to assume, isn't it?

    I believe there is a wisdom in many of the books people find holy. I'm also an atheist. I believe in the void of nothingness as the ultimate reality. I'm also a theist. I believe in higher powers spanning dimensions.

    Nothing needs to be so small or simple as binary coded, but maybe everything can be? We all enjoy the game of this or that, in or out, true or false, but that sounds incredibly boring to me. So I don't play it. It's more fun to be anything we want.

    I am both a believer in nothing and a believer in everything. It may appear as a contradiction, because it is. It also isn't. It is completely internally consistent and orderly but it's also pure beautiful chaos.

    Just because people misunderstand things and take bad actions doesn't mean the thing itself isn't still useful. We don't completely understand our own bodies yet they continue to function in spite of our understanding.

    Navigating a wilderness without a compass is a difficult thing. We all have a compass inside of us. I hope that everyone everywhere will find it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    My comment is not about EVERY religous person. Just the pearl-clutching weirdos who get offended at hearing atheists exist and don't believe.

    Sure, there is some wisdom, but it's buried in mistranslation and mixed with recorded history that's also been through the mistranslation process.

    I have no respect for people who think they have greater knowledge by misinterpreting and projecting their feelings on to such corrupted text.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Imagine encountering an atheist in the atheistmemes community.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I was wondering why people were being so harsh about Pope Leo in the comments! I came from the front page too and didn't notice. Not that their criticisms are unfair by any means.

    Even so, let's not forget that the Pope wields an untold amount of influence over the first world at any given time, so it's not necessary to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Could he be doing more? Undoubtedly. But speaking out is the first step, and he's been rather vocal with his core values and condemning this sort of tyranny and hatred.

    I think that makes a lasting impact too. Especially when it's causing this many MAGA sociopaths to "mask off" the fact that they were never in support of certain policies because of god or their religion or whathaveyou. It was an excuse, to hurt queer people, to oppress minorities. And others, especially younger folk raised in those bible belt regions, will begin to see the hypocrisy more clearly.

    So let's not be so quick to demonize him just yet. MAGA's already got that covered.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Their perception of god is different, doesn't mean they don't believe in the rightness of what they're doing. keep in mind that the vast majority of christian thought and scriptures support shit like slavery and women being little better off than the foreign slaves.

    The only reason Jesus wasn't a white supremacist was that he wasn't white.

    The Christians who happen to be good people are good people in spite of, not because of, their religion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't think youre seeing the whole picture.

    "Ancient control society does one none evil thing with that cintrol" is not a reason to forget or forgive the actions of the catholic Church against women, indigenous people and queer people over the centuries. Until the religion is overhauled to remove the bad parts, we can, must and should criticise it.

    I also thing you overstate the influence the pope has over American Christians.

    Evangelicals and other protestants are trained to view the pope as at best mistaken, at worst a literal agent of the devil.

    Perhaps he might reach some, or some Catholics, but any Christian who comes to dislike hypocrisy or love truth will cease to be a Christian.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To be honest, it's kind of surprising that the prosperity gospel only took off fairly recently. "Get rich and feel good about it" is an easy sell.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    There's a fantastic book called "Dominion: the creation of the western mind" that takes an academic, secular and factual approach to the early Church, as you might imagine, specifically in relation to our worldview here.

    According to them, it took so long because of just how genuinely anti-wealth the bible is. It literally took centuries of work to push it round to the "gospel according business owners" we have today.

    Ironically, a fair few of the reformations throughout the centuries were due to the wealth accumulated by the church and the outrage that could be drummed up by wild holy men, who would appear infinitely more saintly than a gold-clad bishop, all the way up to large parts of early protestant outrage.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So many Christians just can’t accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.

    1. jesus was never actually anticapitalist.
    2. most of his closest followers were in fact successful businessmen and/or rich.
    3. he convinced all those business men to give him their money.

    The rich guy who stalked off? he saw him for what he was: a scam artist.

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    [–] 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was so hopeful I could be a Catholic again

    It's so fucking funny, because there are plenty of American Catholic Churches packed wall-to-wall with haters, losers, and chuds. There are plenty of reactionary priests. FFS, there's an entire sect - Opus Dei - for them to congregate and self-flagellate and sexually assault their kids.

    The idea that you can't be Catholic because the Pope doesn't share your politics... Brother! Martin Luther died a Catholic!

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just the idea of selecting your faith is weird to me. I can understand a person who has a firm conviction that X religion and it's dogma are divine truth and feeling compelled to follow it. Even if it's not for me, I can understand that.

    I don't understand someone who's like "I don't actually believe in any of this, but I want to be in the cool kids club. I just can't unless you fix some of these things that Jesus said". Who tf is giving Jesus notes?

    It just seems to me that Catholic isn't a thing you aspire to be, or a thing you turn on and off like a lamp. You either believe Catholicism is the dogma of God himself, or you should have no interest in being a part of it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    It just seems to me that Catholic isn’t a thing you aspire to be, or a thing you turn on and off like a lamp

    This person is Conservative first and Catholic as a cultural touchstone. Like, they enjoy the ambience of the church, but they don't really care for the morality of scripture or the politics of any priest outside their ideological nook.

    The joke's been made a thousand times, but this is how you get Protestants.

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    • [–] 62 points 1 year ago

    Fucking cult lunatics. Just remember that the Pope is till playing hide the pedo priest. Maybe that will restore their β€œfaith”

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There is no hate like christian love.

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    • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It's funny how religious people don't understand the religion they are worshiping. Or even their very prophet or in this case the chief messenger which is how I like to call the pope.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Belief and religion is whatever you want it to be because it is man made and maintained by man.

    Modern Christianity, especially modern American Nationalist Christianity is based on the belief that you can literally do whatever you want in life, even the most despicable, immoral, selfish and disgusting things .... and their modern belief is based on the idea that if God doesn't like what you are doing, they you will be severely punished for your behaviour, in this life before you go too far ... or in the next life after you die. However, if you do those terrible, disgusting things and nothing terrible happens to you and you continue to lead a good, happy, healthy life ... then it is a sign that God has allowed you to continue and that you are part of a grander plan where you should be allowed to continue doing the terrible things you are doing in order to fulfill some sort of prophecy or master plan.

    If you hoard wealth, destroy the poor, ignore moral values and continue down a path where you just literally want to destroy everything and everyone for your own greed and you get away with it all ... then God is complicit and wants you to get away with it ... he allowed it all, which makes it sacrosanct ... it is God's will.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    Sounds more Old Testament than New, where God's chosen people get their own set of rules and women seem to be punished disproportionately. Jesus is fairly clear about what happens when your hoard wealth.

    The moral basis of Christianity can seem a bit shaky at times though. You must believe Christ is the only path to salvation and live a good life but everyone is born with sin and forgiveness can be granted through genuine repentence. That sounds a lot like you can live a bad life and if you're repentent in the end, despite the harm you've done, all good in the neighbourhood.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In the case of Catholicism in particular, this is a feature and not a bug. Catholics famously and proudly don't read the bible, but rather have its presumptive contents preached at them β€” with various degrees of translation, omission, or addition to suit the current whims of the Church β€” by their deacon.

    A significant portion of what people assume to be modern Christian belief among multiple sects and denominations is not supported scripturally, to put it mildly. But the Catholics manage to institutionalize that phenomenon to a degree that makes all the others look like a monthly book club.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The catholic church was very much against distribution of the Bible in English (rather, not in Latin) because then people might read it themselves rather than having it delivered to them and interpreted by the clergy.

    Turns out they had nothing to worry about.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, and this type of thing is exactly why. The Catholic church has always been all about control β€” seating kings, selling indulgences, owning land, financing crusades, all that kind of malarkey β€” and any religious effect imparted on the world in the process has kind of been ancillary side effect.

    The church didn't want any laymen reading the book and coming to their own conclusions, because the end result of that as has often been seen throughout history is that once people do that, they tend to stop being Catholics.

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    • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't want to lose faith, i really want to keep supporting the child fuckers, but this might put me over the edge.

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    • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Imagine pretending to be catholic, and then complaining about the Pope. Isn't he Big King Shit of catholicism? Aren't you supposed to alter your moral beliefs to be in line with his?

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    • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    You gotta be cataclysmically fucking stupid to think poor people are poor on purpose.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Largely it's on purpose. Not on their own, of course.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm fully on board with people having an existential crisis between their religion and their political beliefs.

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    • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Christianity in a nutshell.

    Religion is cancer.

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    • [+] 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He was a carpenter...

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    • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Somebody didn't pay attention in catholic school

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    • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Fuck em both. The pope wields immense wealth and power, get to fixing things, anything - Housing, food, education, healthcare, environment - pick a topic and go.

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    [–] 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    its unreal how uncatholic most Catholics are.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    It's unreal how uncatholic unchristian irreligious most catholics christians religious people are.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know. As far as I can tell there's no central doctrine all or at least most Christians agree besides the existence of god, Jesus and the importance of the Bible. To me both tweet could be christian.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No true Christian, amirite guys?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    You are right. Because if there were true Christians, they would get rid of all their belongings and prepare for the rapture and return of the Messiah. Not to mention all the other prescriptions from the Bronze Age that none of them follow.

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    • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Y know, I would have a little more respect for Christians if they didn't pick only the parts of their faith that let them hate minorities. Especially since the bible directly says to 'treat foreigners as your own' (as a no human is illegal supporter I agree with this sentiment)

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    He's right, it's not like the Bible says anything about how to treat the poor! Oh... wait...

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/poor

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Don't worry, the evangelicals will give you the hate you want.

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