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Some Texas National Guard troops replaced in Illinois after failing to meet standards (taskandpurpose.com)
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[–] 80 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

They're southern, so Gravy Seals is a good fit.

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    • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure they were already failing to meet standards when the tax payer flew them up there for no reason to begin with. Could have saved a lot of transport dollars with a preflight check in. Hell, a zoom call would have outed some of them!

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    • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What, not fascist enough?

    Fucking traitors.

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    • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Semper Fudge

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    They're classified as armored vehicles when fully equipped.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I'm not pleased they're being deployed, but these guys aren't choosing to go to these places. They signed up for national defense (and not the kind that blows up schools in a desert on the other side of the world) and often helping with major disasters.

    The Texas National Guard absolutely did not sign up for policing cities in Illinois or Oregon, and I'd bet vast majority are not pleased to be there.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Then fucking quit or refuse the orders.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    They can't just quit. They're under a signed contract, which can be penalized with jail time if breached. Refusing orders is also not as simple as it sounds. Each soldier has a duty to refuse an unlawful order. However, if you disobey a direct order, and it is later determined to have been a lawful one, you will now be punished for failing to obey orders, might be a slap on the wrist, might be a dishonorable discharge, or could even be a court martial with jail time.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    For the orders part, I believe there is a JAG hotline to call and get a "ruling" or advice. That would in theory take the legal ramifications of the decision off the guardsman. But I don’t know how well that actually works in practice. It is unlikely to be a smooth as it sounds since the person on the phone doesn't want to put their skin on the line either.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's it exactly. I'm so sick of these dickheads jumping online and talking all the way out of their ass 'just refuse unlawful orders, bro'. Like their COC isn't gonna fuck them every kind of sideways for refusing orders via the UCMJ. Like, this isn't spending a weekend in jail and then it's over kinda shit, this will absolutely ruin your life. You could be spending years in the brig, reduced rank, reduced pay, possible dishonorable discharge while trying to fight the charges if you manage to win the case. On top of that, you want these soldiers/airmen to directly bring a legal fight to a federal administration that is likely to fuck them despite any legitimate grounds to refuse unlawful orders/conscientiously object? Get fucking real. Military personnel have the regular law AND the UCMJ to fucking deal with. These bros are fucking trapped.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Canadian here, so take this with a grain of salt. Honestly I find it a bit hard to be empathetic for people who signed up to be in the military and then don't have the courage to stand up for the constitution which they swore an oath to. Granted, I understand the oath they swore was also to obey their president and their governor, and that the constitutionality of Trump's orders is being actively debated, but if your own military force is occupying the land of your own citizens without their consent, you also have a responsibility to speak out. Granted, I understand national guardsmen also have restrictions in terms of their political activism, but they are not silenced. Where is the letter to the editor from the ~400k off-duty national guardsmen to denounce what effectively amounts for waging war against your own citizens?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Let me get this straight. You’re big and tough enough to volunteer to literally risk your life to uphold principles, to literally kill people, and destroy things. All of it, because you’re just that brave, and strong, and determined and disciplined. But, you’re afraid of a contract and some temporary jail time? Doing the right thing is now suddenly just unthinkably over the line because of a piece of paper?

    I’m just completely done with this brain rot hero worship nonsense. FUCK THESE TROOPS and the sociopathic cheerleaders that get online and defend them constantly. You all are a big contributor to the destruction of our constitutional democracy.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That seems like an easy thing until you consider:

    1. Federalized National guard troops are under Title 10 Authority.

    2. Under Title 10 USC 890 Article 90: Willfully disobeying a lawful order in wartime is punishable with the death penalty.

    3. With the executive branch claiming wartime powers and the DoJ willing to pursue any claim they want, they could certainly choose to pursue the maximum punishment to make an example out of someone.

    The ranks of the JAG and military judges hasn't been purged yet, so I believe it is very inlikely that a court-marshal would reach this punishment, but these orders aren't something a Soldier can just walk away from without serious legal and financial repurcussions.

    What they do in Chicago matters far more than their presence there. Every Soldier needs to recognize their ultimate purpose is to defend the freedom and liberty of their nation's citizens. They must have a line in the sand that they will refuse to cross and are willing to die for, but simply deploying to a city to stand outside a federal building is not that line.

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    • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    It's weird how for a fat guy, Taco doesn't like fatties.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    No plates left behind

    Meal can all can be

    Special Fork Unit

    Snack Ops Unit

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    • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Call of Gravy

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    National Lard

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What standard? Did they fail to correctly identify and laugh at incel memes?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    These guys aren't ICE. They didn't volunteer for this bullshit. Guard members are mostly people wanting some extra cash to pay for college and shit that signed up to go to training a couple weeks a year and to help out following a flood or wildfire.

    They did not sign up to occupy other states. But now they potentially face the death penalty for refusing to go.

    Yeah, they can refuse illegal orders, but with so many Courts having been taken over by the fascists, they can't depend on that to save them from the firing squad. So they suit up and go stand around for a few weeks. I'd honestly rather have them than ICE, since they aren't guaranteed to be racist piles of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't know. Considering that these guys feel through the cracks and failed to meet the expected height, weight and fitness and were deployed, I do question the quality assurance process and the competence at the top level.

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    • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Does the US National Guard not have fitness requirements? Because I doubt those guys can run or do a pull up.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yes, but they sure don't have qualified recruits anymore.

    You don't pass your PT tests, no benefits, but you don't get to go "oops I quit" either. So you wind up with situations like this - even unfit soldiers can't be replaced these days

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, but they sure don't have qualified recruits anymore.

    Perhaps because you would have to be pants-on-head stupid to sign up to shoot your fellow countrymen. In the span of a few months the Trump administration has completely ruined the reputation of what used to be a universally noble and respected job.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah yes blame the people not the system. Aside from what you said being incredibly foolish, near none of these people signed up in the last 6 months. The heart of the lower enlisted rn are people who signed up for college benefits during the Biden administration, or are sergents trying to quietly finish out their careers to get the retirement benefits that're the only thing worth committing more than 6 years of your life to the service for. You quit before that 20 year mark, you get shit, and if you think a career in the national guard pays well, well I have a ASVAB test ready for ya, you're just the type lmao

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But Call of Duty told ME that the National Guards are forces to be reckoned with because they're fit and can take Burgertown from the Russians! Are you saying they lied?!

    In all seriousness, however, a US general's concern was correct that America is too ill-prepared for a war, precisely because most Americans are ill-fitting.

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Lmao they all look like Shane Gillis.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Which standards? Were they not racist enough?

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They gunna have fun come winter

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    • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Blart just needed to get back to the mall before the holiday season starts.

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    • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I see General Custard in that photo

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