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GOP Silent as Mormon Church Gunman Identified as ‘Ultra MAGA’ Trump Supporter (dailyboulder.com)
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[–] 203 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The FBI is treating the case as “an act of targeted violence,”

Not an act of terrorism, because Trump supporters could never be terrorists with the current head of the FBI.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    gotta love doublespeak. like how when the news reports on Gaza, they reference Israeli families and Palestinians

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  • [+] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Except that it actually isn't always relative.

    You can tell which society actually is more just and righteous because it's the one that's more egalitarian.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    It's all relative. Even in that situation there is no egalatarianism between the two states. Perhaps the internal egalatarianism of one state depends on the oppressiveness of the other (eg. "democratic" empires reliant on oppressed colonies). There's no freedom until we're all free, etc.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Was the shooting politically motivated?

    The Catholic shooting had the shooter writing tons of political messaging on weapons and such. That's why it was both "targeted violence" and "terrorism".

    Seems the Mormon shooter just didn't like Mormons, in general or some specific ones.

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    • [–] 88 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We hit some new lows over the week with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this UltraMAGAt who murdered 4 Church goers as anything other than one of them

    Let's see if this gets Kimmel cancelled again.

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    • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Mormons need to declare war on Trump, or vice versa. That will be a wrench that MAGA will not be able to unlodge gracefully.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    I don't think you're going to see a split. The Mormon Church has far too much invested structurally within the Republican Party. And the opposition party isn't offering them anything they actually want (theocracy, white nationalism, rapid imperial expansion).

    The odd mass shooting is simply the price you pay for power in a country that puts so little value on a human life.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mormons are a Business Cult who cross pollinate their money across members' businesses and strongly encourage use of exclusively Mormon owned businesses. Trump somehow convinced those same conservative business leaders that he is Good At Business so the entire cult fell in line.

    And they are also believers who are slow to change so this recent recession will not shake their faith. He can only be distrusted if they personally feel the downturn of the market.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It's a bit more entrenched than that. Mormons theology is elitist, racist, sexist, and hierarchical. The entire religion is built upon fear and a superiority complex.

    Under the leadership of Benson, a staunch John Birch society member, and others like him the cult converted from a theocratic communist organization to an extreme rightwing corrupt corporate behemoth.

    https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=50349153&itype=cmsid

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

    Today the Mormon church is one of the wealthiest organizations on the planet. They have a massive ownership of agricultural land, real estate, mega-corporations, and over a hundred billion in stocks and bonds. Billions of dollars of tax free money donated from members has that effect over 50 years. They give almost nothing of their take to humanitarian causes.

    Mormons voted against Trump because Romney (long time Mormon elite family) was running. From 1951-1988 Marion Romney (a relation of Mitch) was part of the elite church leadership. It was not because they were against Trump.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It makes a lot of sense to hear you describe it that way. In my limited experience they have this aspect to their culture where you are not the best version of yourself and perhaps not even a real man if you aren't an entrepreneur. If you just have a job you'd better be raking it in.

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    • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Obligatory shocked Pikachu

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm sure they'll make up a way to blame transgender people.

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    • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Has Nancy mace demanded the death penalty?

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    http://archive.today/KY5or

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mormon church is a den of pedophiles.

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    • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (33 children)

    Was his motive political? His being a Trump supporter could be related to the shooting, but it doesn't have to be.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    I think the point is that whether or not the shooting was politically motivated, it's rarely rabid democrats carrying out these shootings. The right seems more prone to gun violence.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Historically I agree, but there has definitely been more shooters lately who can only be from the left. Regardless, most of the shooters are disturbed people foremost, and political motivation doesn't seem to be the main reason for their actions. Charlie Kirk was probably the most political, and after that it gets less so.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    there has definitely been more shooters lately who can only be from the left

    Has there? Definitely?

    Do you have a source?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They do not. Whenever i ask occam for a source, all i get in response is crickets and an odd tumbleweed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Scrolling down to see occams response and find this 😄

    Lemmy is awesome because of the lack of users, their user name is familiar enough and I rarely see a rebuttal from them. I was interested to see how they would back this one up

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I guess as much as you can definitely say that any of them are from the right. It's always more complicated than simple political motivation.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yes, and as your article notes, left wing violence is definitely a thing. If it's on the rise as I was saying, then it should be concerning to everyone. Not to say that right wing violence isn't also concerning, but the rise in left wing violence, and even more so the celebration from the left of the Charlie Kirk killing, should be very concerning because it seems to indicate more mainstream left wing acceptance of violence. I'm not speaking for anyone else, but that's what bothers me.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It looked like you were saying that there are more left wing shooters than right wing shooters. I realize now that you're saying there are more left wing shooters than there used to be.

    It seems to me that left wing violence tends to target the people on the right who promote violence while right wing violence tends to target innocent people whom the right has deemed unworthy of life.

    If you want to reduce left wing violence, eliminate the right wing violence.

    I'm less concerned about a rise in left wing violence than I am about the increasing reality that unless the left wing embrace violence, we'll all be killed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is exactly what I'm talking about, the increasingly mainstream justification of violence against political opposition. You think right wing extremists don't read comments like yours as a threat and reach the exact same conclusion/ justification? Violence begets violence.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The problem with your argument is the right wing doesn't care if there's a threat or not. If there is no threat, they'll make one up.

    If you want to end political violence, you have to start with the people driving it, and that isn't the left in the US by any stretch of the imagination.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Are you referring to the establishment left (democrats) or to the extreme left? Because the extreme left is very much calling for violence.

    Edit: you just called for violence yourself, under the pretext that otherwise the right will kill you first. How is that any different?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I didn't actually call for violence. I expressed a concern that it may be an inevitable consequence of the right's insistence on violence.

    And now you're adjusting your argument to refer to the extreme left. However, you don't have to look past the establishment right (Republicans) to find examples of stochastic terrorism.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The only person I would consider to be on the "left" would likely be Luigi (allegedly). And his (alleged) attack wasn't political, it was economic/corporatism...which could be argued is basically political in the current climate.

    But every other act in the last few years has been from a confirmed conservative.

    Get your head on straight.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You would consider the two trans school shooters conservative? Also the Charlie Kirk shooter?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    School shooters are children who aren't old enough to even have a political leaning. They have a whole different variety of motivations.

    But yes, the Kirk shooter was a republican from a republican family. That's not an opinion, its fact. You can try to "leftify" it as much as you want.

    As right wingers like to say, facts don't give a shit about your feelings.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I swear to God people need to stop blaming the left for violence. Meanwhile people on the right are cheering on political violence all the while the left is denouncing it. This is about the biggest pile of shit ever.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Come on, acting like people weren't cheering about Charlie Kirk

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Who the fk cares man, his killer was a right wing nut job, who killed charlie cuz he wasn't right wing enough. Dude got killed by the same camp of people making new shooters every day through stochastic terrorism, and ironically, he got got by the very same tactics he was actively engaging in.

    Frankly charly deserves a darwin award.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Their argument is that the left is inciting and commiting all the violence. The act doesnt have to be political. Thats not the current state of affairs

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No political party has a monopoly on violence, politically motivated or otherwise. But since it can be effectively used to demonize the opposition, it is.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Statistic-wise, the Republicans have a near monopoly, actually. Something like about one quarter Muslim, nearly three quarters Right-Wing, and a slice of three or so percent Leftist.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Republican is not the same thing as right wing by a long shot. I'm assuming you unintentionally conflated republican with right wing extremist, but that confusion illustrates how the statistics can be misleading or represented in different ways depending on what story you want to tell.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In international political comparison, Republicans are right wing extremists. US Democrats are other countries equivalent of conservatives.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I guess if you aren't able to tell the difference between Republicans, libertarians, accelerationists, neonazis, etc then I'm not going to waste energy on you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Fair question, but that only matters for a terrorism charge. The administration has been trying to make the left out to be violent terrorists. They removed the DOJ webpage that showed right-wing violence was the worst, by a long shot. This is not helping their case.

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