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And there are liberals (lemmy.world)
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[–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

You've clearly never interacted with a maoist /s

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    No war in ba sing sa type ass

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    I'm afraid that's not correct :/

    If a person calls themself a leftist and they genuinely believe it, then they are a leftist.

    You don't get to gatekeep the movement. Sorry.

    This meme is itself an example of leftist infighting; you could have been supportive but you chose to divide people instead. Trump would LOVE you.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Democrats call themselves leftists all the time while supporting non leftist policies and politicians while believing their party is left of center. It's no different than MAGA believing they are Christian despite being nothing like their Christ.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    But you don't get to decide whether a person is Christian or not. You're not the arbiter of their belief. They decide what they are; all you get is an opinion about it.

    Let leftists be leftists. We need all the help we can get.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Leftist" isn't an identity, it's a description of political philosophy. An objective adjective.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is "Liberal" or "Conservative" an identity? Is "MAGA" ? Why can a person not identify as a Leftist

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not when liberals try to control the situation with their reform bullshit.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Liberals achieved more of their goals this year than leftists did. Do you really want to exclude them as allies? We would outnumber MAGA.

    Be practical. You can't get a perfect ally, but you can make friends willing to help your cause.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Liberals are MAGA. They are clueless about class solidarity and are hostile at the concept.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hrm, hard disagree there, and at the risk of sounded repetitive it's each person's decision to choose a party, not yours. You seem angry and I don't think you're in the mood to listen so I'll be blocking you. Have a day

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Of course I get to decide who a Christian is. If someone follows the Quran, attends Mosque, doesn't eat pork, and completely follows the traditions of Islam, they are Muslim. They may not "identify" as a Muslim, but that word has been polluted to the point of uselessness. Words have meaning. You can be something simply by meeting the definition of the term. Your own emotions are irrelevant.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I consider you to be a conservative republican because of your support of constitutional rights, therefore you are one. <-- incorrect because my arbitrarily-chosen criteria don't determine your identity, you do. Regardless of how I personally measure your beliefs, you are the one who decides them and their value. If my opinion of you is "conservative republican" then my emotions are irrelevant; I'm wrong and you're not one.

    Good talk :)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Please read some actual leftist theory before spouting nonsense.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Saying "I'm a leftist" is a speech-act which positions you as such. ...Did you not know that?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you have any idea how many capitalist liberals think they're "leftists" because they have no idea what the word actually means

    Words have meanings and definitions.

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lemmy in a fucking nutshell.

    "You're not LEFTY enough! You must pass my purity tests or you are MAGA!"

    Bullshit like this is why we'll never get anywhere. Any of you assholes notice America is now a fascist country? Anyone know how they got control? By not fucking fighting among themselves, that's fucking how.

    We're going to have to take in some people who aren't 100% in agreement with every fucking point. THAT'S a hard pill to swallow.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    Its a fascist country because liberals decided that 50 years of incremental fascism was acceptable, except you called it lesser evil. This is a bed liberals made for themselves and now cry that they dont like the monster they helped create

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    • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    there are none, because there are none to begin with. center right is the best you got in USA.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Which group is the one saying "if Gavin Newsom is the democratic nominee for President, and you vote for him, you must be transphobic"?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    considering newsom does not want to end capitalism...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Gavin Newsom, the guy that makes George w bush look like a leftist?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Back in the aughts, I remember people calling him a Nazi when he was running for mayor of San Francisco. I thought it was hyperbole. It's less clear than I realized.

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    • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    the only "leftists" I be fighting are the ones who don't vote
    other than that it's slightly upset debate

    edit: oh God here come the idiots

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    By idiots you must mean those calling out your BlueMAGA tendencies. Your voting got us into this mess and you can't vote out fascism, specifically what the people you are voting for enables the problem and prevents anything from slipping back to the left

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    you can vote AND do other stuff. You don't just vote and sit on your ass. idk how you came the conclusion that I meant that 😭😭😭

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    • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You are losing. Fucking morons.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The group that's lost 2 elections to a carnival barker is claiming we are the ones losing?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Those losers have won enough to have political relevance, which you do not. You are literally not relevant enough to even lose to the orange turd.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Then why do the liberals spend millions to keep leftists from ballot access every election? Why would the Dems need to spend that much on fighting “irrelevant” movements?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They don't "spend millions" against leftists lol. They just ignore them entirely with the understanding that you guys have the rhetorical skills of chimps throwing feces. Most people disagree with you. You can spin whatever conspiracy theories you want to cope with that, but that is reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They sure do. Many millions spent in legal fees to block leftists from ballot access, propping up rightwing Dems primarying leftists, funneling funds into the campaigns of far right Republicans running against leftists, etc. Even a very expensive write-in campaign against their own candidate in Buffalo, because she was a leftist.

    Fact check me.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Weird that leftists are losing, but both parties are dumping massive effort into keeping leftists off the ballot, and trying to use federal agencies to stop leftist movements. Almost like they know something you don’t.

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    • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There are liberals and authoritarians.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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